Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities => Topic started by: V_Translanka on July 06, 2005, 08:05:00 am
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Alright, I didn't know if this should be here or in the Characters...etc forum, but figured since the Dragons are like Gods and if nothing else, agents of the Planet...
Well, my question is that the White Dragon appears to defy FATE. I mean, the Dragons are each supposed to be bound to their respective islands, aren't they? That's why they're so pissed and want Serge to defeat FATE, right? To release them. But we see the White Dragon flying about El Nido several times throughout the game before FATE is destroyed...at Viper Manor and after the Dead Sea stuff when it saves Serge & Co. not to mention when it just comes down out of no where onto it's island...
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I don't think the game ever said that they were bound to their respective islands.
Besides I thought the dragons wanted Serge to defeat FATE so they could raise Terra Tower.
Also I don't think the Dragons are agents of the Planet.
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Maybe, because he was the most powerful dragon, he went to Home World, where FATE's link is weaker, and managed to escape the Island in 1006 AD. He can't merge with the other dragons, though, so he's got nothing to do then to watch FATE, Lynx and Serge, checking what they're up to.
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The first time I saw Miguel, I was surprised that his special attack was called "Holy Dragon Sword". I thought that maybe he once met the White Dragon and she might have gave him this Tech (like how the Blue Dragon gave Serge the Water Breath), but the game never says anything about that... The only detail which could hint at this theory is that the White Dragon appears right after Miguel is defeated. She might have kept an eye on him (well, on Serge too).
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Its been a while since I last got that far into Chrono Cross, but I believe your right. So maybe the White Dragon was keeping up with current events in the world?
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No, I think the Sky Dragon saves Serge because it's the only free Dragon. Holy Dragon Sword is an attack given to Miguel due to his connection with FATE, that might of taught him that using stolen Dragonian technology.
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Hmmmm... Well did FATE ever take any of the Dragonian technology?
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Hmmmm... Well did FATE ever take any of the Dragonian technology?
FATE was the one who invented the Elements. The first Dragonians didn't use separate colors (the Dragon Tear is non-elemental, the original Dragon God and the Chrono Cross are rainbow-colored).
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I thought the Dragonians made the elements?
Maybe I should continue my replaying of Chrono Cross.
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Originally, El Nido was nothing but ocean. The El Nido Archipelago is purely artificial, created by FATE. It was a remodeling plane that took place 10000 years ago. A plan to include island, blessed with nature, in the sea of El Nido. The main island of El Nido, Earth Dragon Isle, Water Dragon Isle, Black Dragon Isle... The development of Elements, using the energy of the natural world... The distortion of memory terminal devices called the Records of Fate that could survey and guide people's lives... The research center staff, who had their memories erased, left the center, and began a life outside amidst nature. This is how FATE's paradise came into existence.
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Ahhh... I guess I should replay Chrono Cross again.
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Originally, El Nido was nothing but ocean. The El Nido Archipelago is purely artificial, created by FATE. It was a remodeling plane that took place 10000 years ago. A plan to include island, blessed with nature, in the sea of El Nido. The main island of El Nido, Earth Dragon Isle, Water Dragon Isle, Black Dragon Isle... The development of Elements, using the energy of the natural world... The distortion of memory terminal devices called the Records of Fate that could survey and guide people's lives... The research center staff, who had their memories erased, left the center, and began a life outside amidst nature. This is how FATE's paradise came into existence.
I always thought FATE duplicated the Elements, being as the Chrono Cross shows Elements did exist before FATE invented them... But yeah, maybe the Dragonians, the "true" children of the Planet, used Rainbow Elements, more focused and powerful elements.
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I thought the Dragonian's made the elements period... which is why I need to replay Chrono Cross.
Yet I still find something wrong with a super computer using the worlds natural energy to create elements, but meh what do I know.
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It doesn't sound to me like FATE 'invented' them so much as it seems like they 'continued' to develop them...Because the Elements were discovered by the Dragonians in the power points in the world...
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Yes, well, I always got the feeling that almost all the elements (Except for the high level ones like Deluge and Tornado) were nothing compared to actual magic. I wonder if FATE could discover magic, like Spekkio. She did have the FF in some point.
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Well ... i belive... the truth is....well... it is easy.... it is all about Cronopolis and Terra Tower... Fate divided the one Dragon God entity up into 6 weaker life forms. Then scattered them across the land and sealed them away.... they were originaly from dinopolis i belive....but then Fate sealed away the Dragon Gods' powers, in effect becoming a god itself. In reality, the Dragon Gods are in opposition to man, while Fate itself was actually the protector of humanity.... funny isn't it ?! They dragon appearance were just temporary forms.... Serge eliminated Fate.... then again the 7 returned to their real form. "There were six Dragons you knew of and one more hidden Dragon you didn't..." Belthasar said ....The Fire Dragon, the Water Dragon, the Green Dragon, the Earth Dragon, the Black Dragon,
the Sky Dragon, and one more... The final Dragon... The dark moon Dragon... In the time crash... being temporary free from it's bound the dragon gods created their child known as Harle .....
And it is all true... i wrote too much..... that's all...i hope you find it usefull... :)
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We didn't need all that.
In the time crash... being temporary free from it's bound the dragon gods created their child known as Harle .....
It was in the night of the storm. In the Time Crash, they still weren't even split.
Well ... i belive... the truth is....well... it is easy....
Then why except of answering the question you gave us history we have no need of? This has nothing to do with why the Sky Dragon defies FATE.
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The Sky Dragon is simply the strongest of the dragons. In the FMV, we can see all the dragons biting onto him and merging with him. So he's like the main one.
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Like I said, being as he's the strongest, he probably managed to avoid getting resealed by FATE in 1006 A.D.
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I will have to explain again, but the short version : The dragons were the same thing.... but Fate divided it in 6. That is why the sky dragon defies fate... they hate Fatethey wanted fate to die... then they could be free, and they used Serge for this....
Now... yes, they were split in the time crash....the time crash was 2,400 years in the future, it brought or hurled cronopolis to the past.... Serge's time... it was in the night of the storm...in the home world Serge was saved by the frozen flame... the very same night that Harle was born...
I think that is all....
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I will have to explain again, but the short version : The dragons were the same thing.... but Fate divided it in 6. That is why the sky dragon defies fate... they hate Fatethey wanted fate to die..
WE FRIGGIN KNOW THAT!!! We don't ask why he defies FATE, we ask HOW. How is he not sealed!
in the home world Serge was saved by the frozen flame...
In both worlds he was saved by the Frozen Flame. Except in one of them Lynx killed him, and in the other he was saved by Kid.
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I will have to explain again, but the short version : The dragons were the same thing.... but Fate divided it in 6. That is why the sky dragon defies fate... they hate Fatethey wanted fate to die..
WE FRIGGIN KNOW THAT!!! We don't ask why he defies FATE, we ask HOW. How is he not sealed!
Well, maybe She's indeed sealed like the other dragons. It's just that they are sealed in the place in which their color is the most present : the Fire Dragon has to hang around in volcanoes, the Blue Dragon in a water-filled island, the Earth Dragon in a desert island, etc. so the Sky Dragon has to hang around in... the sky.
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I will have to explain again, but the short version : The dragons were the same thing.... but Fate divided it in 6. That is why the sky dragon defies fate... they hate Fatethey wanted fate to die..
WE FRIGGIN KNOW THAT!!! We don't ask why he defies FATE, we ask HOW. How is he not sealed!
Well, maybe She's indeed sealed like the other dragons. It's just that they are sealed in the place in which their color is the most present : the Fire Dragon has to hang around in volcanoes, the Blue Dragon in a water-filled island, the Earth Dragon in a desert island, etc. so the Sky Dragon has to hang around in... the sky.
Great thinking, Chrono'99! That could very will be it! But then, why didn't FATE simpley break off the tip of Terra Tower, so there would be no Sky Dragon Isle?
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Why didn't ask it to me sooner...it is not why, but how.... xD, there's not a way .... when we say sealed we mean... they are not sealed in the islands .... their powers are sealed... and they "sealed" too in those bodies... that's all, they can't defy fate... that's why they use Serge... but now you think of it.... it is really strange how that realics open the way to the sea of éden ..... i think that's all... and hey, don't hate me :D
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when we say sealed we mean... they are not sealed in the islands .... their powers are sealed... and they "sealed" too in those bodies... that's all, they can't defy fate... that's why they use Serge...
The Dragons do not have bodies anymore. They fused with Lavos a long time ago, the moment that FATE sealed them, that was the moment they pretty much were taken by Lavos. The only remains of them are their faux bodies, just images of them so they can exist in the world, whilst they really are a part of the TD.
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I said it earlier too... those bodies are ...what was the word...pseudo....pseudo-guises...yeah, Belthasar said something like that.... those bodies are fake ones so that they could stay in our dimension... i'm just sayin' you are correct.... :D
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Well, the TD uses those bodies to trick FATE into thinking: "Yeah, I won. Haha, now you're under my thumb, Dragon God!"
Anyway, being as they were never truly sealed, I think they stayed put to make FATE think they are. That's how the Sky Dragon god to save Serge from the Dead Sea.
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Well ....if it is true, why they used Serge to destroy FATE if they could strike him down any time ? i still belive that they powers were sealed... as Belthasar said "FATE sealed their power to become itself a god" or something like that....
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I don't think that the Dragons could have launched an assault on FATE. But regardless, the dragons did not know that FATE sealed them. If they had things would have been different I believe.
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I think that FATE thought it was in charge of everything, and even had more power than the FF, while in acctual fact, the FF was doing what Lavos wanted, and using FATE, like how it tried to go back in time to Lavos.
But if FATE really could control the flame, then the spirits of the Dragon Gods could have been binded to their islands. Even though It doesn't seem so much like that.
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...Yeah...but then Serge became the arbiter and Fate could not rech the flame ....yeah.... things might make some sense now.... but i still think they were sealed (when we say sealed we say their powers xD)....and i think they knew they were sealed by Fate.... 'cuz the water dragon says : "FATE has fallen... Fate has died..." when you defeat Fate...
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They knew, they were the TD's way of communicating with the timeline. Still, they WERE sealed, although they were projections. Thus, when FATE died, they can take their true, powerful form, and wreck havoc in Lavos' name.