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General Discussion / The Chrono Compendium - <you fill the slogan>
« on: June 16, 2004, 05:32:10 pm »
The Chrono Compendium - ((In Stereo))
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The Chrono Compendium - "I have a bad feeling about this."
The Chrono Compendium - It's better than flan!
The Chrono Compendium - My mom likes it!
The Chrono Compendium - In Entity we trust.
The Chrono Compendium - If history is to change, let us change it!
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Access to The End of Time
« on: June 16, 2004, 05:15:20 pm »
Hi everyone, it’s been a while!
Well, I think that the Entity is who decides when the party must go to the End of Time:
But can Robo be counted as a “being”? After all, Robo is just a machine, with no real life within it.
The real destination of the gate at Proto Dome is never revealed, but we know that there was another gate at the End of Time besides the 9 pillars, the one that leads to the Day of Lavos. That could be the counterpart of the gate at Proto Dome.
If that’s the case, the Entity, knowing that Lavos was too powerful to Chrono and co., lead them to the End of Time. Gaspar, who foresighted the up coming of Chrono and co., made up the Conservation of Time Theorem to make things easier for the party to understand.
Well, I think that the Entity is who decides when the party must go to the End of Time:
Quote from: On The Axioms, Corollaries Governing Temporal Transforms
Conservation of Time Theorem
Gaspar
When 4 or more beings step into a time warp, the Conservation of Time theorem states that they will turn up... ...at the space-time coordinates of least resistance. Here. [End of Time]
Support:
When Crono, Marle, Lucca, and Robo travel through an Entity-made Gate, they arrive at the End of Time.
ZeaLitY: Note that this applies to Entity-made Gates only. The warp effect at Magus' Lair brought about by Lavos did not send Crono's party and Magus to the End of Time, and likewise the Ocean Palace disaster disperses several beings through time:
65000000 BC: Nu at Laruba Ruins
600 AD: Janus
1000 AD: Melchior
2300 AD: Belthasar
End of Time: Gaspar
But can Robo be counted as a “being”? After all, Robo is just a machine, with no real life within it.
The real destination of the gate at Proto Dome is never revealed, but we know that there was another gate at the End of Time besides the 9 pillars, the one that leads to the Day of Lavos. That could be the counterpart of the gate at Proto Dome.
If that’s the case, the Entity, knowing that Lavos was too powerful to Chrono and co., lead them to the End of Time. Gaspar, who foresighted the up coming of Chrono and co., made up the Conservation of Time Theorem to make things easier for the party to understand.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / On The Axioms & Corollaries Of Temporal Transforms
« on: February 25, 2004, 10:56:19 pm »
I haven’t been here for a while. I wrote this a few days ago but maybe now it’s irrelevant because I haven’t read the new posts. Anyway, hope this helps a bit…
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I think that the sister door of the gate at Proto Dome is the one that leads you to the Day of Lavos, but we have the problem that it always leads you to a few moments before Lavos appears. Maybe the large amounts of radiation/energy that came from Lavos in that moment (after all, he is going to “destroy” the planet) makes the gate hyper-stable so it is “frozen in time”.
This theory could explain this to:
2)
If radiation/energy makes gates stable, the energy that Lavos left behind after the crash could easily make the gate stable enough to “jump” directly to 12,000 BC and vice-versa, this due to the fact that large amounts of energy takes a while to disappear/dissipate or maybe it’s because Shala’s pendant (that was used to open the gate) has a lot of energy within it.
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Theory: When anyone gets to The End of Time, they start to live “outside time” (WHERE is really the End of Time? Is it everywhere and everywhen? Or is it just there, actually at the End of Time, when the universe finally collapses?) and a switch within them is turned on that tell this to the gates so every time someone of them steps into a gate it’s automatically sent to The End of Time, no matter who and how many people stepped on the gate. This explains why Frog and Ayla are sent to the [EoT] on their first time travel.
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It’s far from perfect but I’m not who decides that. Any comments?
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1)
Quote from: Kamek
There's also the issue of the gate at Proto Dome... where, or when, does that Gate REALLY lead? All the other Gates found by the party have some counterpart at another point in time, except for the one at the Proto Dome.
I think that the sister door of the gate at Proto Dome is the one that leads you to the Day of Lavos, but we have the problem that it always leads you to a few moments before Lavos appears. Maybe the large amounts of radiation/energy that came from Lavos in that moment (after all, he is going to “destroy” the planet) makes the gate hyper-stable so it is “frozen in time”.
This theory could explain this to:
2)
Quote from: Kamek
Then, there's the matter of, after Lavos crashed down in 65 million BC, the Gate left behind leads DIRECTLY to 12,000 BC, WITHOUT taking the party to the End of Time like all the other Gates did.
If radiation/energy makes gates stable, the energy that Lavos left behind after the crash could easily make the gate stable enough to “jump” directly to 12,000 BC and vice-versa, this due to the fact that large amounts of energy takes a while to disappear/dissipate or maybe it’s because Shala’s pendant (that was used to open the gate) has a lot of energy within it.
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Quote from: The Unknowuser
Can anybody help with this?
Gaspar wrote:
When 4 or more beings step into a time warp, the Conservation of Time theorem states that they will turn up at the space-time coordinates of least resistance. Here. [End of Time]
Then, why after you visit the End of Time for the first time every gate leads you there even if in your party there are only 3 “beings”?
When you arrive to the [EoF] you have to left a party member there, right? After that, when you have to go back to 600 A.D. (from 1000 A.D.) you have only 3 party members but you still end on the [EoT], no matter which gate you use. (Why!!)
Theory: When anyone gets to The End of Time, they start to live “outside time” (WHERE is really the End of Time? Is it everywhere and everywhen? Or is it just there, actually at the End of Time, when the universe finally collapses?) and a switch within them is turned on that tell this to the gates so every time someone of them steps into a gate it’s automatically sent to The End of Time, no matter who and how many people stepped on the gate. This explains why Frog and Ayla are sent to the [EoT] on their first time travel.
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It’s far from perfect but I’m not who decides that. Any comments?
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / On The Axioms & Corollaries Of Temporal Transforms
« on: February 11, 2004, 12:02:03 am »Quote from: doulifee
About H2 i want to say when the planet was completly destroy i.e does not exist anymore
Ups...
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / On The Axioms & Corollaries Of Temporal Transforms
« on: February 10, 2004, 12:44:40 pm »
Hypotesis 1 sounds good to me, if you want H2 to work, you still need the gate's counterpart on the end of time (even if the world is destroyed at that point, the gate works).
H3: The sister door of the proto dome is the one at the end of time. (...)
H3: The sister door of the proto dome is the one at the end of time. (...)
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / On The Axioms & Corollaries Of Temporal Transforms
« on: February 09, 2004, 06:09:10 pm »
Theory: Each gate can “live” only for X years/months/weeks/days/hours/seconds…I think…The gate at 600 A.D. and the one at 1000 A.D. aren’t the same. They’re only a manifestation of each other. The one at Leene Square it’s a link to the one that is on Truce Canyon and Vice-versa. One of them is the original (the one who was created first AND created its link in another time period). I don’t know which one is, but when it disappears, the other one disappears as well (because they’re linked!!!)
So, if the 600 A.D. gate is the original and it died (disappeared) in 607 (I’m speculating), this effect also applies to its link, destroying the gate that is 400 years on the future. (607+400=1007)Maybe the gate disappeared just a few years later, maybe more, maybe less.
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Can anybody help with this?
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Gaspar wrote:
When 4 or more beings step into a time warp, the Conservation of Time theorem states that they will turn up at the space-time coordinates of least resistance. Here. [End of Time]
Then, why after you visit the End of Time for the first time every gate leads you there even if in your party there are only 3 “beings”?.
When you arrive to the [EoF] you have to left a party member there, right? After that, when you have to go back to 600 A.D. (from 1000 A.D.) you have only 3 party members but you still end on the [EoT], no matter which gate you use. (Why!!)
By the way, you can call me Unk if you want…
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / On The Axioms & Corollaries Of Temporal Transforms
« on: February 06, 2004, 01:14:08 pm »
Uff... Thank you, ZeaLitY, I'm so happy that you liked my little revision 
… and to be ranked as a Chrono Scholar!!! I didn’t think that this would ever happened. I really appreciate this. (Oh, God, I’m speechless… 
)
I promise that I’ll do my best from now on. (Well, my ISP is TOO slow and I have limited time to go online so don’t hope to see me around for a while… but you can always find me via E-Mail)
Thanks again and see you soon!
… and to be ranked as a Chrono Scholar!!! I didn’t think that this would ever happened. I really appreciate this. (Oh, God, I’m speechless… )I promise that I’ll do my best from now on. (Well, my ISP is TOO slow and I have limited time to go online so don’t hope to see me around for a while… but you can always find me via E-Mail)
Thanks again and see you soon!
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / On The Axioms & Corollaries Of Temporal Transforms
« on: February 06, 2004, 12:05:48 am »
I have something to share!
Ok, first, I’m new here (new in posts, I’ve read almost all the topics), second, sorry about my English, I’m from Chile (South America) and here we talk Spanish.
Now, lets focus on this:
Think on the first trip to 600AD: Marle warps to 600AD. Then, a few minutes later, Chrono goes too and later on (some hours, I think) Lucca enters the gate, right? So, we have three DIFFERENT personal times to each character, because Marle spent more time in 600AD than Chrono, and Chrono spent more time than Lucca (Marle > Chrono > Lucca)
When they came back to 1000AD Lucca should arrive first, later on should arrive Chrono and then Marle (because T is different for each one), but we see them arriving at the same time
. So, the time gates only works with the Z variant that, we know, is constant:
The gate in Leene Square goes 400 years in the past or (the gate on 600AD goes 400 years in the future) so, Z=400.
At any point in time, if you enter to the gate, it’ll always take you to X-Z or X+Z instead of X±Z+T because T doesn’t have any relevance to the gate.
ie. You are in 1004 AD. You take the gate in Leene Square. That gate won’t take you to 600AD because Z=400, X-Z=Y => 1004-400=604, Y=604 <= you’ll arrive in this year. Now, say you stay there 3 years (why? I don’t know) so now X=607. lets go inside the gate!: X+Z=Y => 607+400=1007, Y=1007 <= you arrive in this year. Note that the gate doesn’t remembers your “personal time” (T), it only applies the Z variant (that is constant) to the actual time period.
It’s a little confusing, yes, I know, but basically is the same principle WITHOUT the T variant. It should read like this:
(Modified from the original principle )
This explains quite well how time Gates works. As for the Epoch, since Belthasar is the Guru of Reason (he’s a VERY good scientist), and the computers in 2300AD were able to find Time Gates, I think that he managed to link the Epoch to the Gates in order to make it (the Epoch) capable to Time Travel.
Ok, first, I’m new here
(new in posts, I’ve read almost all the topics), second, sorry about my English, I’m from Chile (South America) and here we talk Spanish.Now, lets focus on this:
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Determining the Destination of Time Travel via Epoch and Time Gates
warmgun wrote:
Time Gates and Epoch have the unique ability of knowing a person's personal time. These things know how long a person has spent in certain times. These devices work under the following principle:
At time X, a person enters Epoch and chooses a certain time, Y, on Epoch's dial, where |X-Y| = Z. In time Y, the person stays for a certain duration, T. When he chooses time X from Epoch's dial, it does not take him to time X. It takes him to time X+T. So the total amount of time this person just traveled from time Y is Z. This quantity, Z, is constant. Likewise, when this person enters a time gate, the same rules apply. The only difference is that Z cannot be chosen from a dial, it is inherent to the time gate and is constant.
Granted, this may seem overly technical, but it provides great insight. For example, this rule proves that time MUST flow a the End of Time. While Epoch has it listed as infinity (inf), the time gates and Epoch treat time travel to and from it as inf-Z and inf+Z. In other words, time flows.
Think on the first trip to 600AD: Marle warps to 600AD. Then, a few minutes later, Chrono goes too and later on (some hours, I think) Lucca enters the gate, right? So, we have three DIFFERENT personal times to each character, because Marle spent more time in 600AD than Chrono, and Chrono spent more time than Lucca (Marle > Chrono > Lucca)
When they came back to 1000AD Lucca should arrive first, later on should arrive Chrono and then Marle (because T is different for each one), but we see them arriving at the same time
. So, the time gates only works with the Z variant that, we know, is constant: The gate in Leene Square goes 400 years in the past or (the gate on 600AD goes 400 years in the future) so, Z=400. At any point in time, if you enter to the gate, it’ll always take you to X-Z or X+Z instead of X±Z+T because T doesn’t have any relevance to the gate.ie. You are in 1004 AD. You take the gate in Leene Square. That gate won’t take you to 600AD because Z=400, X-Z=Y => 1004-400=604, Y=604 <= you’ll arrive in this year. Now, say you stay there 3 years (why? I don’t know) so now X=607. lets go inside the gate!: X+Z=Y => 607+400=1007, Y=1007 <= you arrive in this year. Note that the gate doesn’t remembers your “personal time” (T), it only applies the Z variant (that is constant) to the actual time period.
It’s a little confusing, yes, I know, but basically is the same principle WITHOUT the T variant. It should read like this:
(Modified from the original principle )
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“At time X, a person enters Epoch and chooses a certain time, Y, on Epoch's dial, where |X-Y| = Z. In time Y, the person stays for a certain duration, T so now Y=Y+T. When he chooses time X from Epoch's dial, it does not take him to time X. It takes him to time Y+Z. So the total amount of time this person just traveled from time Y is Z. This quantity, Z, is constant. Likewise, when this person enters a time gate, the same rules apply. The only difference is that Z cannot be chosen from a dial, it is inherent to the time gate and is constant.”
This explains quite well how time Gates works. As for the Epoch, since Belthasar is the Guru of Reason (he’s a VERY good scientist), and the computers in 2300AD were able to find Time Gates, I think that he managed to link the Epoch to the Gates in order to make it (the Epoch) capable to Time Travel.
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