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Reality, Real-World Connections, and the Supernatural / Magus' connection with the sign of the beast...
« on: February 22, 2006, 10:52:15 pm »
I noticed in the boss info included with the special features on the Chronicles release that Magus' hit points are listed as being 6666 which is, albeit one digit extra, a sign of the devil or the Number of the Beast in Western Christian tradition.
I was a little confused by this and wanted to ask how or why this was decided upon to be the amount of hit points that Magus had in the game. I know that at the time of the game's original release in the United States, Nintendo of America had a strict religious censorship policy that affected many games released in the states, including Chrono Trigger. (Heaven power anyone?)
I wanted to know if anyone here knows the circumstances under which this number found its way into the game. Was it originally there in the Japanese release or was it added when the game's code was tweaked and translated to be released in other countries?
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Along with being the sign of the devil himself, "The Number of the Beast" is also an excellent song recorded by Iron Maiden.
I was a little confused by this and wanted to ask how or why this was decided upon to be the amount of hit points that Magus had in the game. I know that at the time of the game's original release in the United States, Nintendo of America had a strict religious censorship policy that affected many games released in the states, including Chrono Trigger. (Heaven power anyone?)
I wanted to know if anyone here knows the circumstances under which this number found its way into the game. Was it originally there in the Japanese release or was it added when the game's code was tweaked and translated to be released in other countries?
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Along with being the sign of the devil himself, "The Number of the Beast" is also an excellent song recorded by Iron Maiden.
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Other Topics and the Prerelease / Playstation release question...
« on: February 22, 2006, 10:33:40 pm »
Yeah, it's the Greatest Hits version that comes in Final Fantasy Chronicles.
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Medina
« on: February 22, 2006, 12:00:52 am »Quote
Magus: Ever since Lavos's time
portal stranded me in the Middle
Ages...
I have waited to even the score.
That's right! I forgot when Magus said that in CT. Then I guess that Marle's assumption that Magus was leaving at the end of the game to hunt for Schala has no grounds?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Lucca's mother (Minor spoiler alert)
« on: February 21, 2006, 11:56:09 pm »Quote
I do not remember seeing her anywhere in Lucca's home, but I may have just forgotten.
Yeah, she's definitely sitting there in the room off of the main landing to the right. It's funny that you should say that you missed her too, because I don't personally remember even finding her until like my 2nd or 3rd go with the game.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Belthasar
« on: February 21, 2006, 04:43:43 pm »Quote
It makes no sense for Lavos to just chuck these guys into a different era when it could just as easily kill them.
My bad there SilentMartyr, I really didn't take into account the fact that the Conservation of Time theory would require in fact that 4 people be sent to the EoT. That makes perfect sense too because when the Ocean Palace disaster did occur, there were only three people that returned to the palace after Crono's death, Magus and two other individuals.
On a purely speculative basis though, I'm a tad confused over the concept of the gates at the EoT. I'm aware of the idea that only after traveling through a gate with your party is it accessible among those at the EoT, but according to Gaspar...
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Disturbances in the space-time
continuum have increased recently.
Far too many folks are just popping
in here...
According to Gaspar, many travelers have been popping in and out of the EoT, so why is there a finite number of gates and none that these "other travelers" have used in the past. Just out of curiosity, is it possible that whatever controls these gates, be it the planet or the entity, is selective and only allows particular travelers to use the gates that they have discovered so far? That may explain a way that Gaspar linked to the year 12,000 BC directly. Just a thought...
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Other Topics and the Prerelease / Playstation release question...
« on: February 21, 2006, 04:15:59 pm »
That's actually really weird now that I think about it!
I bought the Greatest Hits copy where all the captions were in Japanese, but my friend got a Greatest Hits where everything was translated.
Now I am incredibly confused...
I bought the Greatest Hits copy where all the captions were in Japanese, but my friend got a Greatest Hits where everything was translated.
Now I am incredibly confused...
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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Medina
« on: February 20, 2006, 11:39:12 pm »
Interesting connection with the Medina thing, I never would have thought of that myself.
I don't imagine that the title "the prophet" would have literally come from 12,000 BC, because it is my understanding is that Magus only appeared in Zeal as a result of the alternate timeline created by the arrival of Crono and company at Lavos' summoning. Otherwise, Lavos would have awakened on schedule and killed Magus, explaining his sudden disappearence.
My only speculation is the connection between Magus and Lavos in 600 AD. We know that Magus' desire to summon Lavos stems from his love for his sister Schala and his desire to avenge her or to bring about her return by defeating Lavos in battle. Yet the Mystics that you speak with in 1000 AD seem convinced that the reason that Magus wished to summon Lavos was to eradicate the human race exclusively and lead to the world being ruled by the Mystics.
Is it possible that Magus used the Mystics' to achieve his end of eventually summoning Lavos? My whole argument is that perhaps Magus became the leader of the Mystics by convincing them of the power of Lavos and falsely leading them to believe that they would gain power from his arrival, when in reality he simply wanted to summon Lavos to defeat him.
In a way, this line of thought explains why the Mystics viewed him as a prophet, because he was a prophet for Lavos. I always looked at that as the intuitive explanation.
I don't imagine that the title "the prophet" would have literally come from 12,000 BC, because it is my understanding is that Magus only appeared in Zeal as a result of the alternate timeline created by the arrival of Crono and company at Lavos' summoning. Otherwise, Lavos would have awakened on schedule and killed Magus, explaining his sudden disappearence.
My only speculation is the connection between Magus and Lavos in 600 AD. We know that Magus' desire to summon Lavos stems from his love for his sister Schala and his desire to avenge her or to bring about her return by defeating Lavos in battle. Yet the Mystics that you speak with in 1000 AD seem convinced that the reason that Magus wished to summon Lavos was to eradicate the human race exclusively and lead to the world being ruled by the Mystics.
Is it possible that Magus used the Mystics' to achieve his end of eventually summoning Lavos? My whole argument is that perhaps Magus became the leader of the Mystics by convincing them of the power of Lavos and falsely leading them to believe that they would gain power from his arrival, when in reality he simply wanted to summon Lavos to defeat him.
In a way, this line of thought explains why the Mystics viewed him as a prophet, because he was a prophet for Lavos. I always looked at that as the intuitive explanation.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / The Successor of Guardia ending
« on: February 20, 2006, 10:01:44 pm »
Thanks a lot guys. I figured it was comical, I just wanted to make sure with people who would know.
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Reality, Real-World Connections, and the Supernatural / Masamune & Murasame-Swords of Squeenix
« on: February 20, 2006, 05:51:02 pm »
This post got me thinking and being that I'm no research expert at all, I went to the layman's knowledge database wikipedia.org.
Goro Nyudo, a Japanese swordsmith, was also known by the name Masamune. While no exact timeline of his life has been agreed upon by scholars, it is agreed that he crafted most of his swords in the early to mid 13th century in the Soshu tradition.
S-E has used the Masamune in many of their games, but its role and purpose has changed several times. While in some games it has been a character's ultimate weapon, there were several FF games where the Masamune was the weakest sword in the game. The Masamune has also run the gamut of being a tool of the righteous, much like in Chrono Trigger, or a tool of evil, such as the Masamune of Chrono Cross or Sephiroth's blade in Final Fantasy VII. Also, while tradition states that swords of Masamune were katanas, the Masamune swords found in S-E's role-playing games have taken several forms such as a broadsword or a katana.
Just wanted to clear up any info that had been left out of earlier posts
And you can find more info on the Masamune here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masamune
Goro Nyudo, a Japanese swordsmith, was also known by the name Masamune. While no exact timeline of his life has been agreed upon by scholars, it is agreed that he crafted most of his swords in the early to mid 13th century in the Soshu tradition.
S-E has used the Masamune in many of their games, but its role and purpose has changed several times. While in some games it has been a character's ultimate weapon, there were several FF games where the Masamune was the weakest sword in the game. The Masamune has also run the gamut of being a tool of the righteous, much like in Chrono Trigger, or a tool of evil, such as the Masamune of Chrono Cross or Sephiroth's blade in Final Fantasy VII. Also, while tradition states that swords of Masamune were katanas, the Masamune swords found in S-E's role-playing games have taken several forms such as a broadsword or a katana.
Just wanted to clear up any info that had been left out of earlier posts
And you can find more info on the Masamune here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masamune
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Nadia's Ancestry, Nu, Entity, Cats, and Names
« on: February 20, 2006, 05:27:43 pm »Quote from: ms0019
The ancestral line above has a representative in every time period playable in the game except for 2300AD, but I'm not sure that matters much.
Unless I'm mistaken then I think that this is untrue. At the end of the game, all of Marle's ancestors and descendants come to the castle and tell King Guardia of the deeds the group has done throughout time. Kino and Ayla are proven to be Marle's descendants and Doan appears to reiterate the group's contributions in the future. Doesn't that mean that Doan is a direct descendant of the royal family in Guardia?
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Other Topics and the Prerelease / Time to Party!
« on: February 20, 2006, 03:38:08 pm »
Brand new here... but I love it already!
(Opens giant bottle of wine courtesy of Melchior)
To two years... and many more.
(Rocks out to Chrono Symphonic)
By the way... funny how no one voted hate it!
(Opens giant bottle of wine courtesy of Melchior)
To two years... and many more.
(Rocks out to Chrono Symphonic)
By the way... funny how no one voted hate it!
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Other Topics and the Prerelease / Playstation release question...
« on: February 20, 2006, 03:18:44 pm »
Did anyone else buy an English copy of the game released in the United States, but still got animatics on the disc that remained in the original Japanese? I'm not sure wether I got something really rare, or I just got another version of the same disc.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / The Successor of Guardia ending
« on: February 20, 2006, 03:01:29 pm »
I apologize in advance if this has been answered already. I'm new to the forums (hence my new user status 
) and I found no indication of this discussion being posted before.
My question is this...
What set of circumstances led to Queen Leene/Marle marrying Frog and having the entire lineage of the royal family being frogs? Or is this simply meant to be a comical ending?
) and I found no indication of this discussion being posted before.My question is this...
What set of circumstances led to Queen Leene/Marle marrying Frog and having the entire lineage of the royal family being frogs? Or is this simply meant to be a comical ending?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Belthasar
« on: February 20, 2006, 02:50:20 pm »
I always viewed the gate Lavos opened in 600 AD much like the one opened in the Ocean Palace in 12,000 BC. Both gates were huge rifts in time space that sent different sets of characters to different time periods. The only common thread that kept a group together was the inclusion of the Gate Key as a variable which somehow allowed groups of three to travel together despite the effects of the gate on others present.
Also, to answer this question with another question...
I always assumed that Lavos killed Magus in 600 AD when he was summoned. This would explain Magus' sudden disappearance and the defeat of the Mystics. If this is the case, then is it possible that Lavos manipulated the gate that opened at Magus' castle to separate the two parties? This would explain sending Crono and company to 65,000,000 BC and keeping them together because of the effects of the Gate Key and sending Magus back to 12,000 BC, where Lavos would encounter him again at the Ocean Palace and be able to finish him off.
Also, to answer this question with another question...
I always assumed that Lavos killed Magus in 600 AD when he was summoned. This would explain Magus' sudden disappearance and the defeat of the Mystics. If this is the case, then is it possible that Lavos manipulated the gate that opened at Magus' castle to separate the two parties? This would explain sending Crono and company to 65,000,000 BC and keeping them together because of the effects of the Gate Key and sending Magus back to 12,000 BC, where Lavos would encounter him again at the Ocean Palace and be able to finish him off.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Father?
« on: February 20, 2006, 02:33:12 pm »
Not to re-state the obvious, but I remember reading something about Crono being from the Kingdom of Zeal, and somehow being sent to the year 1000 AD. I wasn't sure wether there was an explanation for this or wether it was simply pure speculation.
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