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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 03, 2006, 08:52:12 pm »
Sorry for not clairifying =(
I'm not saying that the facts are not true. I'm just saying that there are other conclusions you can draw from those facts.
Zaperking:
What was it that you saw in the Frozen Flame that made you think of that? Do you think it could be just the Frozen Flame that was created like that or all of lavos?
I'm not saying that the facts are not true. I'm just saying that there are other conclusions you can draw from those facts.
Zaperking:
What was it that you saw in the Frozen Flame that made you think of that? Do you think it could be just the Frozen Flame that was created like that or all of lavos?
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 02, 2006, 09:32:45 pm »
Wow are you guys trying to convince me of something? I thought we were just sharing ideas.
It's my belief that the view of lavos as an alien is the big ruse of the Chrono series. All of the behavior Chronopolis and Lucca observe of Lavos are based on the lavos only after it has been corrupted by the DNA of all living things and begins to act as they do (ie. reproduce, feed, grow). My feeling is that the evil of humanity is reflected in lavos rather than lavos corrupting humans.
Uncovering the true history of the planet and why lavos is there is what I believe the true revelation of the Chrono series is.
I'm not asking you to believe me, I just want to hear what your theories are on the more ambigous parts of the Chrono series story are...such as the "dream"
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It's my belief that the view of lavos as an alien is the big ruse of the Chrono series. All of the behavior Chronopolis and Lucca observe of Lavos are based on the lavos only after it has been corrupted by the DNA of all living things and begins to act as they do (ie. reproduce, feed, grow). My feeling is that the evil of humanity is reflected in lavos rather than lavos corrupting humans.
Uncovering the true history of the planet and why lavos is there is what I believe the true revelation of the Chrono series is.
I'm not asking you to believe me, I just want to hear what your theories are on the more ambigous parts of the Chrono series story are...such as the "dream"
=(
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 02, 2006, 04:42:18 pm »
The only reason its extra-terrestrial is that it fell from space. Before that point its just theory. My theory is that humans in some form originaly created lavos (although perhaps not in the same way we know it)
I'm just surprised by the number of people who assume Lavos is just an alien.
If CC showed us anything, its that the Chrono series gets more complex as we learn more. That leads me to believe that our percieved notions of lavos may be wrong or at least not as simple (CC showed us that there was a much more complex relationship between lavos, the planet, humans, and time than in CT where we were lead to believe it was simply everyone vs. Lavos)
I'm just surprised by the number of people who assume Lavos is just an alien.
If CC showed us anything, its that the Chrono series gets more complex as we learn more. That leads me to believe that our percieved notions of lavos may be wrong or at least not as simple (CC showed us that there was a much more complex relationship between lavos, the planet, humans, and time than in CT where we were lead to believe it was simply everyone vs. Lavos)
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 02, 2006, 01:30:00 pm »Remember Lavos well could have been corrupted by the DNA of humans and other beings into assuming its destructive form later in its life.
So you're saying that, by taking in all sorts of DNA from humans and other living things on this planet, had a doomed impact on the Lavos creature? Don't you think with Lavos's suffisticated shell and technology to house DNA, reproduce these other life forms and also be capable to attack with an almost incredible amount of power, would NOT be so careless as to let the lifeforms of another world affect his goal?
You mistake Lavos' power as proof of only a distructive goal. You also are assuming he is from another world and not familiar with humans.
I just assume Lavos' power was intended for another use. This is just a less obvious reason for Lavos part in the story.
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 02, 2006, 11:10:27 am »Lavos is just a specimen from an animal species, which parasitates a planet then reproduces then destroys its planet and finally sends its offspring to other planets. If Lavos came from Crono's planet, that world would already have been infected and ruined by its parent...
The section you are refering to is:
Robo: It possesses the DNA of every creature that has ever lived! It evolves by obtaining record of the genes of all living things of the planet.
Lucca: I understand. This jerk's objective...
Over a long period of time, (Lavos) gradually parasitizes a planet, collecting portions of the planet's constitution, which it relies on.
Possessing those genes, the descendants born on the Mountain of Death go to another planet, to repeat the cycle.
It sucks this planet's life over a long period of time, evolving while remaining dormant.
While this is an accurate description of Lavos' nature at the time of battling with it, it says nothing about why Lavos is like this. The explaination that lavos is a destructive animal or weapon is to simple an explaination for the power Lavos has over time/space and the unsual benefits to humans that Lavos exsistance brings. Remember Lavos well could have been corrupted by the DNA of humans and other beings into assuming its destructive form later in its life.
Again what I'm saying is that there is no established purpose for Lavos before his arrival, and I believe that this indicates the possibility of a more complex reason to why lavos is here.
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 02, 2006, 03:56:00 am »And while we're at it, Crono is the personification of the Frozen Flame's will, whose ultimate goal was to free itself from Lavos by rebelling against it's creator.
Interesting. So was the Frozen Flame's goal imposed on it by outside forces or was it a part of Lavos that naturally wanted to free itself?
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 02, 2006, 03:10:27 am »
Well maybe not native to what we know as the planet in CT and CC.
I just think it's a bit short sighted to say that Lavos is an alien purly because he fell from space.
My angle just unifies the story of CT and CC with the origins of lavos in a grander way.
For example, if you take my version of the story then the ending of CC is quite simple. Once Schala is free all connection between lavos and the "dream" world end. This reverts the reality back to the "awake" world which Schala-kid is left to explore. Schala-kid may end up finding both Serge and Janus, but as they really are in the "awake" world.
In short, Schala-kid is all that's left of the Chrono series world at the end of CC (which fits perfectly with what we see at the end of CC).
Now I'm not saying that's they "right" story, but it certainly is alot more grand, clear, and unifying than an evil alien comes and screws up a world just because it was there.
I just think it's a bit short sighted to say that Lavos is an alien purly because he fell from space.
My angle just unifies the story of CT and CC with the origins of lavos in a grander way.
For example, if you take my version of the story then the ending of CC is quite simple. Once Schala is free all connection between lavos and the "dream" world end. This reverts the reality back to the "awake" world which Schala-kid is left to explore. Schala-kid may end up finding both Serge and Janus, but as they really are in the "awake" world.
In short, Schala-kid is all that's left of the Chrono series world at the end of CC (which fits perfectly with what we see at the end of CC).
Now I'm not saying that's they "right" story, but it certainly is alot more grand, clear, and unifying than an evil alien comes and screws up a world just because it was there.
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:22:30 pm »Who said the planet was asleep? Maybe it means "Dream" as in a goal or fantasy. A person's dream career, for example. The Planet is striving toward it's dream of a perfect biosphere.QuoteI had always seen the gates as proof that lavos was native to the planet.
Which is why we see him coming from SPACE and stuff, right?
I guess a less literal interpretation of dream would work well too.
I know Lavos came from space, but wasn't that all that was said about its origin? Couldn't it just be just as likely that Lavos was returning to the planet rather than a first contact?
I just thought that the planet's dream was more of an set up by an "awake" world. This world creates Lavos in order to begin a "dream" world where Lavos's presence would enhance the progress of humans (i.e. the possibility of a perfect Zeal). We see that things didn't work out that way because of the corruption of Zeal.
On a side thought, I always thought Lavos was born in the "awake" world's less future (one pretty much the same as the destroyed future in CT). This would make for perfect poetic jutice in that Lavos was intended to enhance the future of humans, but was corrupted and ultimatly destroys that future.
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Re: Why is the planet asleep?
« on: May 01, 2006, 12:19:03 am »
So the gates were not a property of lavos being on the planet, but rather a native feature of the planet's defence? That works.
I had always seen the gates as proof that lavos was native to the planet. The ideal world could only arise from a dream that was to be in the hands of lavos.
Good image work by the way with the link to near death experience.
I had always seen the gates as proof that lavos was native to the planet. The ideal world could only arise from a dream that was to be in the hands of lavos.
Good image work by the way with the link to near death experience.
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Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities / Why is the planet asleep?
« on: April 30, 2006, 06:00:58 pm »
The planet's dream is important part to the Chrono series, but why and when did the plant fall asleep?
I don't know if you all have talked about this, but I was impressed by your thoughts on the series in the encyclopedia so I thought I'd introduce a question I didn't see answered.
I don't know if you all have talked about this, but I was impressed by your thoughts on the series in the encyclopedia so I thought I'd introduce a question I didn't see answered.
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