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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Guardia Royal Line Paradox
« on: August 24, 2007, 05:34:21 pm »
Ah, yeah good point you have there, but in assuming it was indeed their choice to go into the portal, how is it possible that the world would have ended in the first place, as in why would have the year 2300 been a post-apocalyptic wasteland? Does it imply that the entity ignored it first time around? Or possibly... that Chrono and friends decided not to go into the portal originally?
Let me rephrase my original idea, I don't believe a more powerful force predetermined their actions, my idea is that in going into the gate, their following actions would be predetermined by themselves. Like some people believe the choices we make in life are made previous to our existence, and it is impossible to defy it, because it was always intended that we would do so, by ourselves. What I mean by this is since Ayla probably traveled to the future with the intension of saving the world and returning to her time, that inevitably is what would happen, unless of course she died, in which case she wouldn't be able to return, and the Guardia family would apparently vanish.
So technically speaking, the choice would actually be her own, and the time line would exist as if she had already done it all, because in a way, she already has. Right? I'll have to read those links later, thanks for the information, gotta head to work now -_-
Let me rephrase my original idea, I don't believe a more powerful force predetermined their actions, my idea is that in going into the gate, their following actions would be predetermined by themselves. Like some people believe the choices we make in life are made previous to our existence, and it is impossible to defy it, because it was always intended that we would do so, by ourselves. What I mean by this is since Ayla probably traveled to the future with the intension of saving the world and returning to her time, that inevitably is what would happen, unless of course she died, in which case she wouldn't be able to return, and the Guardia family would apparently vanish.
So technically speaking, the choice would actually be her own, and the time line would exist as if she had already done it all, because in a way, she already has. Right? I'll have to read those links later, thanks for the information, gotta head to work now -_-
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General Discussion / Re: The Chrono Compendium - <you fill the slogan>
« on: August 23, 2007, 01:12:50 am »
>.>
Actually it was my second post (if you were referring to me)
Still, it's a friendly little thread where people can show personality through humor, and give people an idea of what to expect. I'd consider it a good thing. =)
Actually it was my second post (if you were referring to me)
Still, it's a friendly little thread where people can show personality through humor, and give people an idea of what to expect. I'd consider it a good thing. =)
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General Discussion / Re: The Chrono Compendium - <you fill the slogan>
« on: August 20, 2007, 09:24:20 am »
The Chrono Compendium - We can beat you up, we're bigger than you
The Chrono Compendium - Time travel is the answer!
The Chrono Compendium - And you thought things didn't make sense before...
The Chrono Compendium - Everything means something, I'm telling you!
The Chrono Compendium - Time travel is the answer!
The Chrono Compendium - And you thought things didn't make sense before...
The Chrono Compendium - Everything means something, I'm telling you!
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Guardia Royal Line Paradox
« on: August 20, 2007, 08:50:39 am »
Oh boy, this one is a doozy.
Every time they would travel to a new time period, they would therefore begin a new thread in the big-chain-of-the-universe, and the old one would either cease to exist or continue on it's own. Personally I think it would cease to exist.
For instance when you give the mayor's ancestor beef jerky for free in 600 ad, he is no longer the jerk he was, and is now the worlds greatest dad. So, what happened to the jerk who wouldn't give you the sun stone? He either ceased to exist and that thread was destroyed, or he continued to exist in some alternate dimension. So whenever they would travel to a different era, the dimension they were in would cease to exist, right? This way their absence could be noticed, but they'd never know about it.
Or another idea, they do all end up in their original times in the end, perhaps that is predetermined by the planet, and figured in to how the time line goes. To someone who would be watching them come and go from Leene square, wouldn't it appear that they would be coming and going every couple of minutes? Maybe not that fast, but if they do something in the past or future that takes hours for them to do, and travel back, would that time in the present be accounted for?
Bah, gotta dumb this one down to something simpler (which is never easy with time travel). Perhaps everything they did was predetermined and already done within one universe and therefore they would do it all, and continue to exist in their era. Like Alya would travel around, and go back, and it would only account to a few days. Maybe not, maybe I'm crazy.
Every time they would travel to a new time period, they would therefore begin a new thread in the big-chain-of-the-universe, and the old one would either cease to exist or continue on it's own. Personally I think it would cease to exist.
For instance when you give the mayor's ancestor beef jerky for free in 600 ad, he is no longer the jerk he was, and is now the worlds greatest dad. So, what happened to the jerk who wouldn't give you the sun stone? He either ceased to exist and that thread was destroyed, or he continued to exist in some alternate dimension. So whenever they would travel to a different era, the dimension they were in would cease to exist, right? This way their absence could be noticed, but they'd never know about it.
Or another idea, they do all end up in their original times in the end, perhaps that is predetermined by the planet, and figured in to how the time line goes. To someone who would be watching them come and go from Leene square, wouldn't it appear that they would be coming and going every couple of minutes? Maybe not that fast, but if they do something in the past or future that takes hours for them to do, and travel back, would that time in the present be accounted for?
Bah, gotta dumb this one down to something simpler (which is never easy with time travel). Perhaps everything they did was predetermined and already done within one universe and therefore they would do it all, and continue to exist in their era. Like Alya would travel around, and go back, and it would only account to a few days. Maybe not, maybe I'm crazy.
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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: The Red Lucca Gate
« on: August 20, 2007, 08:32:41 am »
Ooh, I just played through CT the other day, and this very question sprung to mind. It's unfortunate that they give us such little information about it.
While it is plausible that Lavos was responsible for this special red gate, it wouldn't make all that much sense in the long run. Logically speaking Lavos nor the planet would have any reason to do this, as it only really seems to benefit the family itself. The only reason I can see Lavos trying to stop Lucca's interest in mechanics would be to stop her from building here teleportation device, which inevitably would be the start of the entire journey, assuming the gates wouldn't have been opened some other way.
And that may all make plenty of sense, but the effect I got from the red gate and that whole scenario was some "special" force was responsible for it, not covered by the game itself. Which would be indicated by it's color and how it related only to Lucca. Another reason I say this is because she seemed to know it was there as if it were calling her. I wondered about it when she just sprung up out of her sleep and ran into the woods, it seems as if she knew it was there already. Think about it, how many scenarios would you run into the darkness of the woods by yourself other than to, oh I don't know, relieve yourself. Also, thinking back she seemed to be acting kind of weird during that whole event (don't hold me to that one, I can't remember all that well).
So, Lavos? Special Force? Planet? You're guess is as good as mine, either way it had little effect on anything aside from slight changes in the family for the better, which is why I think it was some other party we're unaware of.
While it is plausible that Lavos was responsible for this special red gate, it wouldn't make all that much sense in the long run. Logically speaking Lavos nor the planet would have any reason to do this, as it only really seems to benefit the family itself. The only reason I can see Lavos trying to stop Lucca's interest in mechanics would be to stop her from building here teleportation device, which inevitably would be the start of the entire journey, assuming the gates wouldn't have been opened some other way.
And that may all make plenty of sense, but the effect I got from the red gate and that whole scenario was some "special" force was responsible for it, not covered by the game itself. Which would be indicated by it's color and how it related only to Lucca. Another reason I say this is because she seemed to know it was there as if it were calling her. I wondered about it when she just sprung up out of her sleep and ran into the woods, it seems as if she knew it was there already. Think about it, how many scenarios would you run into the darkness of the woods by yourself other than to, oh I don't know, relieve yourself. Also, thinking back she seemed to be acting kind of weird during that whole event (don't hold me to that one, I can't remember all that well).
So, Lavos? Special Force? Planet? You're guess is as good as mine, either way it had little effect on anything aside from slight changes in the family for the better, which is why I think it was some other party we're unaware of.
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