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Welcome / Birthday / Seeya! Forum / Re: Going overseas
« on: December 13, 2006, 07:52:57 am »
DISCRIMINATION!! WHAT OF HANUKKAH?! NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT, HAVE YOU?!
Ahem. Either way, have fun!! Seeing new places is always enriching and very exciting. I hope you enjoy your trip!
Ahem. Either way, have fun!! Seeing new places is always enriching and very exciting. I hope you enjoy your trip!
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General Discussion / Re: MMO Setups
« on: December 11, 2006, 05:01:19 pm »
Chrono Series would actually make for an awesome MMO. You can visit all sorts of different time-frames, with each period being a bunch of continents all in it's own, and can start from different points in time and different factions.
You could be a Mystic Demi-Human mage, or a Chorasian Knight or a Guardian Thief. Or maybe you'd be a Reptite Berserker or a Zealian Battle Mage? The potential is practically limitless, and the vast times and the variety of landscapes would make for quite an experience, no?
You could be a Mystic Demi-Human mage, or a Chorasian Knight or a Guardian Thief. Or maybe you'd be a Reptite Berserker or a Zealian Battle Mage? The potential is practically limitless, and the vast times and the variety of landscapes would make for quite an experience, no?
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Chrono Compendium Discussion / Re: Christening the Venture
« on: December 11, 2006, 04:43:12 pm »
Seems our crew's assemblin', Cap'n, looks like we'll be plundering small towns and kidnapping fair maidens in no time!
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Chrono Compendium Discussion / Re: Christening the Venture
« on: December 11, 2006, 02:14:14 am »
Coxswain, Young John Timbers Reporting, captain Red James Jones, sir!
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General Discussion / Re: Gather, all ye anime lovers
« on: December 07, 2006, 02:18:38 am »Some preppy Japanese genius kid finds a notebook from a death god that can be used to kill people by writing their names and times of death, so he goes on a power trip and decides to kill all of the bad people in the world.
The authorities catch on that someone's intentionally causing the death of all these criminals, so they try to capture the person. However, they aren't able to on their own, so they get some super detective's help and it becomes a thrilling cat and mouse game.
Oh the suspense...
Yes, there is plenty of suspense. It's not just a cat and mouse game, it's a CLEVER cat and mouse game-the moves they make are calculated, cunning and at times simply staggering. The lengths to which they go to ensure neither is caught or amazing, up to the point where characters start manipulating even their damn memories to make sure they're not caught.
Really, it's an incredible anime with great art and presentation-watch it.
But really, potato chips never got a better commercial. Neither did apples, once you think of it.
Sarkany, it's mostly like Ramsus said-a Japanese genius kid finds a notebook a Death God dropped in the world that can be used to kill people by writing down their names, and the way of death, actions before death and time of death can also be manipulated. He goes on a 'Holy Crusade' to rid the world of 'evil' (criminals) and become the god of the new world. The authorities can't catch this guy on their own, so they recruit the aid of the genius detective 'L'. Both are equally genius, and the moves they make are really amazing.
Though, avoid the Live Action movie. As with all Live Action movies, it sucked.
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General Discussion / Re: Meat, meat, a wonderful thing?
« on: December 05, 2006, 04:15:53 pm »
You know you could ask that question for the fish, lizards and insects. I know you do. You're asking me why the primordial soup spit out life-forms that would develop into many different catagories. I don't pretend to know this, I never have. I also never talked about a biological stand point, it's something RD and Josh seemed to realize from my posts, which is only half true. My definition of alive is the biological one.
That same tomato which falls to the ground a seed carrier is, on the same line, deprived of it's purpose. Instead of allowing it to fulfill it's purpose of moving the genes of the plant to the next generation, it insteads gets picked off, cut up, steamed and put in a fish, which was also murdered, cut up, frozen and transported-only to be fried, emptied of it's bones and organs, and be stuffed with steamed tomatoes.
Again, I'm not trying to tell someone what to eat. I'm just saying-you hate seeing living creatures die in the cost of our nurturing? Fine, then eating plants is bad too. Don't eat those, either.
Bullshit. We have that much common with plants on some levels it's amazing. Plants actually make their own food for the most part, and are hence the most innocent in this entire argument.
That same tomato which falls to the ground a seed carrier is, on the same line, deprived of it's purpose. Instead of allowing it to fulfill it's purpose of moving the genes of the plant to the next generation, it insteads gets picked off, cut up, steamed and put in a fish, which was also murdered, cut up, frozen and transported-only to be fried, emptied of it's bones and organs, and be stuffed with steamed tomatoes.
Again, I'm not trying to tell someone what to eat. I'm just saying-you hate seeing living creatures die in the cost of our nurturing? Fine, then eating plants is bad too. Don't eat those, either.
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Thus plants, so very far removed, are a totally different sort of organism, so foreign that, well... they're as foreign as bacteria.
Bullshit. We have that much common with plants on some levels it's amazing. Plants actually make their own food for the most part, and are hence the most innocent in this entire argument.
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General Discussion / Gather, all ye anime lovers
« on: December 05, 2006, 11:07:45 am »
So, has anyone heard of Death Note's anime release? Any watchers? Fans? Read the manga?
I, for one, am liking this anime so much. God, L and Light are two geniuses, and the show sure knows how to set up the mood-it's a great thriller.
I, for one, am liking this anime so much. God, L and Light are two geniuses, and the show sure knows how to set up the mood-it's a great thriller.
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General Discussion / Re: Meat, meat, a wonderful thing?
« on: December 05, 2006, 11:05:52 am »It has nothing to do with morality. He's saying that all lives are equivalent when it comes to justifying whether to eat some of them. But he's wrong; there's nothing sacred or inviolable about the biological condition of life itself. A tomato loses nothing when it dies, because it has no means to possess. Only a conscious experience can possess the experience of life. Legend doesn't get that, which is why there is no point arguing: We've got different starting premises. No consensus will be reached.
Partially biological. I just take 'The Sacredness of life' as literal. I don't view things in terms of possession or lack thereof. Also, RD, I'm sorry to inform you, but cannibalism is forbidden as a norm, as taboo. If I claim you can eat just about whatever you want, then humans fall into that section as well-but even if I say what I believe, it's not to say I eat everything I see. And, despite I recognize it's taboo, norms aren't that easy to escape from, because I can't just ignore the way I way I was raised. At the same time I'm not trying to define anyone's diet-they can eat what they want, and live with the results. All I'm saying is to me, the whole argument seems null-do you kill an orange when you eat it? Certainly. It's death, and if you're that much against death, why do you ignore the death of other living things? Why are the only things we see is Tiger pups and tranquil bears hibernating? If you go against the death of other living things, you gotta be a little more general in that approach-otherwise you're either ignorant or an hypocrite who does nothing but say half-truths.
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General Discussion / Re: Meat, meat, a wonderful thing?
« on: December 05, 2006, 01:47:25 am »Your awareness isn't the issue, Legend. The issue is the awareness of the creature being eaten. A tomato has no concious experience. It doesn't know it exists, it percieves nothing; it can not feel pain, or fear, or loss. It's death changes nothing from the perspective of the tomato. A cow, on the other hand, is capable of feeling those things; it is concious, it is aware. That is why the death of a cow is not analagous to the death of a tomato in this case.
You, too, missed my point, RD. When I said awareness isn't the issue, I talked about the creatures being eaten. If they're aware or not hints that creatures who can't feel pain or sorrow deserve to be eaten alive, and as Dan's song claimed, steamed, sliced, slashed, frozen and fried, while creatures who can't feel pain-don't. That's something I can't really approve of, I'm sorry-All life is equal, and if it's alright to eat veggies, you should meat without hesitation, as well. The opposite also applies, of course. This really has nothing to do with me being a vegetable worshiper or something (which I am not), this has to do with the fact that you can't separate two things on the basis of whether pain or not. The feeling of pain doesn't ultimately matter in the long run, because let's face it, we've all lived long enough with the knowledge that this cow we're eating probably suffered quite a bit prior to it's death, and I doubt you burst in tears and called your mom an insensitive monster who helps the evil food companies slaughter animals by paying them to do so. I'm not saying you should, and this isn't exactly my point. The point is that in this case, you shouldn't look at this particular case. It's like saying gunning down a comatose man and gunning down a living man isn't the same. So the comatose man didn't scream in pain, burst in tears and died in a dramatic manner-so what? A man still died. On the same note, just because we don't have little carrots crying for their mommies or tomatoes who actually do scream when cut with a knife doesn't mean it's any less a death or any less a murder.
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General Discussion / Re: Meat, meat, a wonderful thing?
« on: December 04, 2006, 02:46:33 pm »
You... totally missed my point, Josh. My point is that awareness doesn't matter. If I see an adorable little chick a moment after her mother was well on the way to be next week's dinner, I would obviously feel an overwhelming amount of pity towards it. But that doesn't make the devouring of an apple or tomato more or less justified. YOU'RE the one who says to not allow emotions to take advantage of your better judgement, and I'm doing just that. Just because I can personally identify with a cow more than I can identify with a carrot doesn't mean it's death is less justified-death is death, and there isn't lesser degrees of death or higher degrees of death-if you got shot in the head or took one too many pills, it doesn't matter-you're still the same dead body, who's likely to be buried in the same grave, visited by the same people. I'm not saying we should put up tombstones in honor of the noble potatoes or make a national holiday for our friends the trees (Amusingly enough, us Juden actually have an holiday for trees, just goes to show how even the bible supports what I believe-at least to some level), but I'm just saying we shouldn't treat meat and vegetable differently-one's death isn't less important, because like I just said-it's so ignored people already don't know the difference, and if you really don't want to kill to eat-I'm sorry, you'll be dead in a couple of months, if you'll hold out that long-and if you will, you'll likely be maddened before you die.
No, but one of my best quotes, according to my friends, is 'Have you ever cut a tomato and heard screaming?'.
Though I must admit, the song does come to shed light on the matter, it's not like we don't do that with just about BLOODY EVERYTHING ELSE, ourselves included.
Quote from: Teh Dan
Plainly you've never seen Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.
No, but one of my best quotes, according to my friends, is 'Have you ever cut a tomato and heard screaming?'.
Though I must admit, the song does come to shed light on the matter, it's not like we don't do that with just about BLOODY EVERYTHING ELSE, ourselves included.
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General Discussion / Re: Meat, meat, a wonderful thing?
« on: December 04, 2006, 01:06:38 am »
Perhaps I was overgeneralizing. I might not of explained what I meant by Vegetarians.
If a forty year old man were to get a heart attack, and was told to not eat pork for a year, and perhaps try to refrain from eating too much meats in general, I find some conditions to be somewhat different. The filthy hypocrites I was talking about were the ones who refrain from eating meat because 'it's murder'. Right, it's murder. And don't get me wrong-I don't approve of stuffing animals or making them suffer horrible, horrible pain before they die. I'm all against that. But I don't really see why we cannot simply get all our dairy products, eggs and meat in the good old ways. Just because they need to be made in commercial amounts doesn't justify the means with which it's used. I'm certain there can be other solutions. But they would probably never eat meat, regardless of how it was taken, because they believe that just because the cow was alive and probably conscious at the time of her death it's wrong to eat her, and if the tomato, which is no less alive than the cow, wasn't, it's alright to eat THAT. Like I said, to me, all life is equal, and treating two living things different on the basis of if it has a brain or not seems to me like a terrible thing to do. Those sort of people may not all be hypocrites, but those who are aware, and say 'That orange doesn't feel pain', that is to me just as bad as killing a disabled, paralyzed person. He'll never feel the pain, he may not even be conscious to protest, but still, people would rise up for him. Or for even a paralyzed dog. And some people would rise up for a paralyzed rat.
Animal rights are a noble act, but I once saw a girl who was in my class, and my biology teacher asked her why she doesn't eat meat. She replied it's murder. The teacher asked her, 'Why, aren't vegetables alive?' and the girl replied 'no'. It's either ignorance or hypocrisy. While some can't be helped, I wish I could say I stand both.
If a forty year old man were to get a heart attack, and was told to not eat pork for a year, and perhaps try to refrain from eating too much meats in general, I find some conditions to be somewhat different. The filthy hypocrites I was talking about were the ones who refrain from eating meat because 'it's murder'. Right, it's murder. And don't get me wrong-I don't approve of stuffing animals or making them suffer horrible, horrible pain before they die. I'm all against that. But I don't really see why we cannot simply get all our dairy products, eggs and meat in the good old ways. Just because they need to be made in commercial amounts doesn't justify the means with which it's used. I'm certain there can be other solutions. But they would probably never eat meat, regardless of how it was taken, because they believe that just because the cow was alive and probably conscious at the time of her death it's wrong to eat her, and if the tomato, which is no less alive than the cow, wasn't, it's alright to eat THAT. Like I said, to me, all life is equal, and treating two living things different on the basis of if it has a brain or not seems to me like a terrible thing to do. Those sort of people may not all be hypocrites, but those who are aware, and say 'That orange doesn't feel pain', that is to me just as bad as killing a disabled, paralyzed person. He'll never feel the pain, he may not even be conscious to protest, but still, people would rise up for him. Or for even a paralyzed dog. And some people would rise up for a paralyzed rat.
Animal rights are a noble act, but I once saw a girl who was in my class, and my biology teacher asked her why she doesn't eat meat. She replied it's murder. The teacher asked her, 'Why, aren't vegetables alive?' and the girl replied 'no'. It's either ignorance or hypocrisy. While some can't be helped, I wish I could say I stand both.
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General Discussion / Re: Meat, meat, a wonderful thing?
« on: December 03, 2006, 05:07:23 pm »
As said before, there is nothing wrong with eating meat. There truly is nothing immoral about a fox eating an hen. But, let me tell you something about vegetarians-I think they're filthy hypocrites who think they're in touch with nature, but have done nothing but missed the whole damn point.
So, I'm to blame for eating a cow? Well, why isn't that stag to blame for eating that leaf? Cuz the leaf doesn't have a brain? Cuz it doesn't have nerves? Cuz it can't feel pain? I say, no! To me, all life is equal. The act of feasting upon another's life to prolong your own is a natural, necessary act, which ENSURES THE CONTINUITY OF LIFE. Despite the fact I do not believe anyone deserves death, this case is a special one, as one must always look after himself, at least in the most basic of ways, and take part in this struggle to life. As such, there are plants that defend themselves. There are plants who eat living animals. Saying 'I won't eat that lamb but I will tomato because the tomato won't tell the difference' is a horrible thing to say.
I eat both due to what I believe. My so called 'Law of Equality of Life' states a carrot and a chicken are worth the same, and therefore I should not hesitate to consume them, even if on the same plate. I'm on a race that's on the top of the food chain, I accept it and shut the hell up. So should the vegetarians.
So, I'm to blame for eating a cow? Well, why isn't that stag to blame for eating that leaf? Cuz the leaf doesn't have a brain? Cuz it doesn't have nerves? Cuz it can't feel pain? I say, no! To me, all life is equal. The act of feasting upon another's life to prolong your own is a natural, necessary act, which ENSURES THE CONTINUITY OF LIFE. Despite the fact I do not believe anyone deserves death, this case is a special one, as one must always look after himself, at least in the most basic of ways, and take part in this struggle to life. As such, there are plants that defend themselves. There are plants who eat living animals. Saying 'I won't eat that lamb but I will tomato because the tomato won't tell the difference' is a horrible thing to say.
I eat both due to what I believe. My so called 'Law of Equality of Life' states a carrot and a chicken are worth the same, and therefore I should not hesitate to consume them, even if on the same plate. I'm on a race that's on the top of the food chain, I accept it and shut the hell up. So should the vegetarians.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Armageddon-Branch Theory
« on: October 08, 2006, 11:54:50 am »You can go through the black omen, or you can use the bucket or the Epoch.
I'm not sure, as it's been a while, but after you beat the Black Omen once, it's gone from all time periods? If so, it's possible that going through the Black Omen links you to 12,000bc.
However, the other two possible paths lead to 1999ad. And for that reason, I've always believed that to be the canon.
Once you smash the Omen in one time, it disappers in all the time periods AFTER that one. If you beat the Omen in 600 A.D., the one in 1,000 A.D. vanishes, but vice versa there is no effect on the former..
However, I find it unlikely he really was beaten in 12,000 B.C. You don't necesarrily see him come of out water, just a black-blue area. Either way, you have the omen shooting a beam into the ocean, making it seem as if Lavos could erupt anywhere he wants, given the stimulation to do so.
Either way, Cross points out the hedgehog was killed in 1999 A.D., I think Miguel says that.
Actually, Cross points quite the opposite. Miguel said that because thanks to a group of teenagers who traversed time and saw the end of the world in the future, they defeated Lavos at the end of their journey.
And what exactly prevents 1999 A.D. from being the last time they visit before the gates close, eh? You can get the best ending even without smashing the Omen, which means they might as well of killed him in 1999.
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Chronopolis states that they never had a record of Lavos' eruption, nor does anyone else, but they traced his existance by scanning alternate dimensions and frozen ones too probably and from the Dead Sea realised that they existed on a timeline that was saved. Hence, Lavos didn't erupt in 1999AD, otherwise Chronopolis would have known.
Unless he was killed fast enough to ensure no recording was in order? Chronopolis was founded in 2300 A.D., so they'd never know, and Lavos never fired an attack. The monitor in Chronopolis shows no actual data about Lavos can be found, which makes sense given the fact the guy vanished into dimensional hell.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Armageddon-Branch Theory
« on: October 03, 2006, 10:59:33 am »You can go through the black omen, or you can use the bucket or the Epoch.
I'm not sure, as it's been a while, but after you beat the Black Omen once, it's gone from all time periods? If so, it's possible that going through the Black Omen links you to 12,000bc.
However, the other two possible paths lead to 1999ad. And for that reason, I've always believed that to be the canon.
Once you smash the Omen in one time, it disappers in all the time periods AFTER that one. If you beat the Omen in 600 A.D., the one in 1,000 A.D. vanishes, but vice versa there is no effect on the former..
However, I find it unlikely he really was beaten in 12,000 B.C. You don't necesarrily see him come of out water, just a black-blue area. Either way, you have the omen shooting a beam into the ocean, making it seem as if Lavos could erupt anywhere he wants, given the stimulation to do so.
Either way, Cross points out the hedgehog was killed in 1999 A.D., I think Miguel says that.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Ayla and Leah have a relation?
« on: September 29, 2006, 01:24:41 am »It's not like Kato is God so, could it be possible that it was he who scrapped the Chrono Break project? It's a secret to no one that Chrono Cross was kinda hard to make for him and his team. The results were the relatively awkward presentation of the story, the presence of evil plot dumps, and the removal of entire parts of the originally planned scenario (the identity of Magus as Guile, the involvement of Janus, the role of the Terra Tower statue, the real purpose of the Arbiter of Time for Lavos' ultimate evolution, etc.)... so, perhaps Kato actually cornered himself in a deadend... and don't know how to explain the Fall of Guardia as he originally wanted?
Maybe, but then he expressed desire to make another Chrono game. If nothing more, it could mean he wants to make the game IN ORDER to mend those mistakes and plot holes. Perhaps explain some (don't know about all)- it seems very much possible and not overly complicated to do, in terms of plot. Things can fit in.