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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Why is this still believed?
« on: January 30, 2009, 01:02:56 am »
I'm fairly certain I've done it on both the SNES and PSX versions.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Why is this still believed?
« on: January 28, 2009, 01:07:13 am »
No offense taken, V_Translanka, but please once again note that that was the only time I have ever cheated in Chrono Trigger, and it ended with me not being able to gain NG+.
I know with all certainty that I have unlocked NG+ (without cheating) by beating Lavos without going through Black Omen, as it was the first way I ever beat the game.
I know with all certainty that I have unlocked NG+ (without cheating) by beating Lavos without going through Black Omen, as it was the first way I ever beat the game.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Why is this still believed?
« on: January 26, 2009, 08:15:16 pm »
The issue with previous saves is why I decided to use an SNES emulator and cheat. Also, using an emulator would make it easier to provide proof, should it have worked, that I was telling the truth. As to the nature of the cheats themselves, it was simply to get to the maximum level without wasting too much time. I don't think that would interfere with whether or not NG+ would unlock.
Also, for the record, that was the first time I've used cheats on CT, so that didn't impact my unlocking of NG+ the first time I beat it.
Also, for the record, that was the first time I've used cheats on CT, so that didn't impact my unlocking of NG+ the first time I beat it.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Why is this still believed?
« on: January 26, 2009, 07:33:51 pm »
Well, there might actually be an arbitrary "Now you can unlock NG+" point. I just did a pre-run using cheats to see if it was possible to unlock NG+ upon entering the EoT on a first run, and apparently it is not. When I typed up my initial question, the "under any circumstance" was actually referring to your three options after the Blackbird, although the fact that I hadn't even been thinking of endings other than "Beyond Time" and "Reunion" made me totally overlook what I was actually saying. *attempts to remove foot from mouth*
To (attempt to) answer your question, though: since there does seem to be at least some threshold you have to pass before NG+ will unlock, perhaps it is when you open the door to the ocean palace, since idioticidioms has stated that he has, indeed, unlocked NG+ by defeating Lavos at the Ocean Palace. What I know from personal experience, however, is that I was able to unlock NG+ the first time I ever beat the game by defeating Lavos via the bucket, without venturing through the Ocean Palace. Perhaps the deciding factor is getting the "Beyond Time" or "Reunion" endings (or, perhaps, "The Dream Project," if what idioticidioms stated was true).
To (attempt to) answer your question, though: since there does seem to be at least some threshold you have to pass before NG+ will unlock, perhaps it is when you open the door to the ocean palace, since idioticidioms has stated that he has, indeed, unlocked NG+ by defeating Lavos at the Ocean Palace. What I know from personal experience, however, is that I was able to unlock NG+ the first time I ever beat the game by defeating Lavos via the bucket, without venturing through the Ocean Palace. Perhaps the deciding factor is getting the "Beyond Time" or "Reunion" endings (or, perhaps, "The Dream Project," if what idioticidioms stated was true).
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Why is this still believed?
« on: January 26, 2009, 04:39:30 pm »
That's simply not the case; Black Omen is not necessary for NG+.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Why is this still believed?
« on: January 26, 2009, 03:08:18 pm »
When I have time, I'll attempt a first-run ASAP Lavos kill on the SNES version to be sure of my assumption about that particular method.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Why is this still believed?
« on: January 26, 2009, 12:14:14 pm »
Although I will admit that I have never personally tried defeating Lavos upon first entering the EoT (non-NG+, of course), I see no reason why the creators wouldn't have had it enable NG+, seeing as how you can defeat him later in the game through the bucket (the first time I ever beat it, I used this method), and you do unlock it. The bucket, crashing the Epoch, not losing in the Ocean Palace, and going through the Black Omen are all viable ways to unlock NG+, so I don't see the creators going out of their way to arbitrarily set a "Now you can unlock NG+" point on the bucket method. *shrug*
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Why is this still believed?
« on: January 26, 2009, 11:32:39 am »
I just looked at the Chrono Trigger General FAQ, and it states:
Why is it still believed that you unlock NG+ by beating the Black Omen, when in truth you unlock NG+ for beating the game under any circumstance?
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How do I get New Game +?
Defeat Queen Zeal in the Black Omen, then kill Lavos to win the game. At the end, reset and start a new game. Note that if you already defeated her but gated out of the Lavos battle, you can still fight Lavos and access the new game.
Why is it still believed that you unlock NG+ by beating the Black Omen, when in truth you unlock NG+ for beating the game under any circumstance?
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