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Time, Space, and Dimensions / Re: Dimension Split, or Dimension Duplication

« on: April 12, 2009, 01:43:56 am »

Hey guys, that's my first time here. I was reading the Compendium's article about the dimensional split inconsistency and I can't understand why the split couldn't have happened on 1006 A.D.. I'll try to explain why.

PS: Sorry for my "Engrish", I'm brazilian and I never took any english lessons so take easy on me, please. 

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Dimensional_Split_%28Timing_of%29.html

Inquiry

In Viper Manor, Belthasar declares that the split of the dimensions happened ten years ago.

Prophet:
   Serge... This world is not
   the world you grew up in.
   10 years ago, something
   happened that put your very
   soul teetering on the
   balancing scales of fate...
   with a fifty-fifty chance
   of life or death!
   This is when your future
   was split in twain.

[...]

Belthasar only declares that Serge’s future was split into two. This is not the point when the dimensional split happens, it’s only when history starts to change in Home World. Besides, there is no reason to a minor change in history result in a dimensional split.

Later, Lucca alleges that it occurred in 1006 A.D. when Serge was injured and Schala reached out across time.

As Schala fell through the
   time gate in this condition,
   she heard your crying
   echoing through time...
   That is when her story and
   yours began to intertwine...
   It is also when the past and
   the future began to intersect,
   and when the world became
   divided into two...

[...]

That’s it. The split happened in 1006 A.D., but the history of both dimensions remained the same until 1010 A.D. when Serge dies on Another World and lives on Home World.

1010 A.D. Support

The 1010 A.D. timing was originally chosen by the Chrono Compendium for sheer weight of evidence. This is when Kid rescues Serge from Lynx and his life truly diverges from the past. This is the date several people in the game allude to as the point at which their lives diverge (such as Mojo and the Arni fisherman each). Miguel states that the Dead Sea was formed in 1010 A.D., which is consistent with the repercussions of splitting the world in twain with the consequences of Home World's future being fated to an apocalypse.

This is the point when FATE loses its abilities to intervene with Home World. When Serge lived, history was changed, and FATE somehow doesn’t seem to support historical changes since it’s always preventing El Nido’s inhabitants from going to the main continent and changing history. Maybe historical changes could cause a system overload or something, this would explain why FATE couldn’t lead people’s lives anymore on Home World.

Also, we know that Kid is sent to the world by Schala as her mind tottered on the brink of being completely consumed by hatred. If the split occurred before 1004 A.D., two Darkness Beyond Times would have to exist for two copies of Kid to be sent to each dimension. This is a strange and troubling possibility, and this would mean there are two Time Devourers (with only one defeated), something we know to be false by ostensible game presentation at the nature of Time Error regions.

Not at all. If the split occours in 1006 A.D., there will still be one Darkness Beyond Time and one clone of Schala being sent to the only dimension (since the split didn’t occour in 1004 A.D.).

Plot Inconsistency

What causes the plot hole and flies in the face of all 1010 A.D. evidence is the statement by Chronopolis researchers that World 01 existed before this date.

   An instruction to the young girl
   in Arni 01 to give up going to
   the main continent as a poet.
   An instruction to the man in
   Arni 02 to give up becoming
   a fisherman.
   A plan to avoid any point of
   contact with the main continent,
   so as not to affect history.

   However...
   Ever since the formation of
   the Dead Sea 10 years ago...
   FATE has been unable to intervene
   directly with World 01.
   The best FATE could do was cross
   the dimension and receive data
   through the Records of Fate.
   And with much difficulty, FATE
   succeeded in binding Miguel
   to the Dead Sea as a watchman...

Chronopolis even seems built in mind with watching a second dimension. This completely shatters the internal logic of having the split in 1010 A.D. by establishing that Home World existed before the split. It directly contradicts everything, including Crono's statement and all supporting evidence that a new reality -- an irregular one -- was created when Serge lived.

From 1006 A.D. to 1010 A.D. both dimensions kept going like a single reality controlled by FATE, since there was no change in history until Serge’s survival. Only then an irregular reality was created, but Home World was already there. In this new history FATE somehow lost the control over El Nido.

Problems I can see:
   How could Belthasar foresee that Schala would cause the dimensional split? That would be the only reason to create a system watching two dimensions instead of one.