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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Why did Porre invade?
« on: September 03, 2005, 02:13:09 am »
Well, my last statement is kinda off topic, I want to know whether FATE and Chronopolis are still around whether or not they influence Poore. Since Schala was saved then Chronopolis and FATE don't need to be around (as Poore's military rise doesn't need to occur if Belthasar did indeed do it) except to let Serge live.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Magus is a wuss.
« on: September 03, 2005, 01:54:55 am »
The whole reason Magus is a badass is because he loved Schala. When Lavos took away everything he loved (Schala) and landed him in harsh era, Lavos left him with nothing but hate and a thirst for vengence. The fact that he was able to love is what makes his character so compelling and real. Adopting a Machiavellian aditude he heartlessly kills in order kill Lavos (though Crono shows that there was a more un-evil way to the same goal). He exists simply for hate and perhaps becomes so powerful because he is angry at how helpless he was when he was small and lost everything. In all senses of the word Magus is not a wuss, if you can label Magus a wuss, then every character in the game, save perhaps Lavos and the Mother Brain computer (because they have no emotions and kill just simply because they think they should) are wusses. If a wuss like Crono then could save the planet from an incredibly powerful monster, then perhaps being a wuss in your definition of the word is a good thing. A wuss would only be concerned with his/her own welfare without a thought to the welfare of others, cowering in a corner while others are hurt. It is because Magus is concerned not with his own welfare (which would be preserved without trying to kill Lavos) and is instead bent on avenging his sister and his lost life that makes him the opposite of a wuss.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Why did Porre invade?
« on: September 03, 2005, 01:02:04 am »
That makes sense, thanks for that, I guess I never read that far into the Dead Sea thread ( though I did try, I think I got sidetracked by a link to Axioms and Timelines or something and ended up posting here). Still I'd like to know about Chronopolis and the rise of Poore, did they still happen after CC? It seems like Chronopolis must have in order to create El Nido, but then does FATE once again control everything, and did whatever outside influence affected Poore undo that influence once Schala was saved, if I can figure this out for sure I'd finally be able to put the game to rest and be able to stop reading Chrono Cross websites when I should be doing homework...
If there's no major evidence to the contrary (and the theories on the Poore's Rise article, which I read all the way through, don't seem to solve it much) I'm just going to accept that it's all part of Belthasar's deus ex machina solution to this game's plot.
If there's no major evidence to the contrary (and the theories on the Poore's Rise article, which I read all the way through, don't seem to solve it much) I'm just going to accept that it's all part of Belthasar's deus ex machina solution to this game's plot.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / The Fate of Crono, Marle, & Lucca [Finalized]
« on: September 01, 2005, 11:26:20 pm »
If I remember correctly, RD was sort of a Chrono Trigger spin off by accidect (the scenario writer hadn't planned it out as a sequel at first). Later, because RD was not widely played, they decided to redo RD proper, in the form of CC. This is according to an interview I believe I read in the Compendium.
Anyhow, in the same interview (with MK I believe?) I remember reading something about an outside force intervening and influencing Poore, but MK didn't want to go into it. Presuming that Crono and Marle were dead while the timeline in CC was split into Another and Home, then the real question is whether the outside influence still influences Poore after the events of CC (of course Lucca is alive, without the whole Schala interfering and bringing Serge into contact with the FF and Serge's father turing into Lynx thing). I wrote a couple of my theories down on some thread about Poore's militarism, I'd like to think that Belthasar was that outside force using Poore to help bring Serge to the point where he could save Schala, and then once Schala is rescued and the whole affair is unneccessary, he went back and undid Poore's militarism, allowing for a pretty happy ending. However, because of the somewhat vague ending, we can't really tell what happens (especially in relation to whether or not Chronopolis, FATE, and the Frozen Flame are still around spreading their influence in 1020 after CC, this would explain quite a bit I think, because though Project Kid is no longer needed, it was Chronopolis that created El Nido, and for Serge to live his life, El Nido needs to be around, however for him to live his life relatively unaffected FATE shouldn't meddle. (?)).
Anyhow, in the same interview (with MK I believe?) I remember reading something about an outside force intervening and influencing Poore, but MK didn't want to go into it. Presuming that Crono and Marle were dead while the timeline in CC was split into Another and Home, then the real question is whether the outside influence still influences Poore after the events of CC (of course Lucca is alive, without the whole Schala interfering and bringing Serge into contact with the FF and Serge's father turing into Lynx thing). I wrote a couple of my theories down on some thread about Poore's militarism, I'd like to think that Belthasar was that outside force using Poore to help bring Serge to the point where he could save Schala, and then once Schala is rescued and the whole affair is unneccessary, he went back and undid Poore's militarism, allowing for a pretty happy ending. However, because of the somewhat vague ending, we can't really tell what happens (especially in relation to whether or not Chronopolis, FATE, and the Frozen Flame are still around spreading their influence in 1020 after CC, this would explain quite a bit I think, because though Project Kid is no longer needed, it was Chronopolis that created El Nido, and for Serge to live his life, El Nido needs to be around, however for him to live his life relatively unaffected FATE shouldn't meddle. (?)).
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Why did Porre invade?
« on: September 01, 2005, 10:37:43 pm »
This is the one problem I've had trying to figure out in this series, the rest I've been able to explain to myself after weeks of research and wasting time.
I believe that this, along with explainations of what exactly the Dead Sea* is, would result from a clear ending. If Poore's militarism is because of Fiona's forest, or wanting to get it's hands on the Masamune or Sun Stone, we would have been able to see the beginnings of its military nature in CT, after we made those changes. The only changes we can't see are those after Crono and co. defeat Lavos, because the game ends. This would suggest that El Nido's discovery is the cause of Poore's militarism. As indicated in an interview with MK (not sure if I got that right...) there was an influence outside time that caused Poore's military build-up. This could be a number of choices. The two main ones I think have the greatest possibility of wanting Poore to build up it's military are FATE and Belthasar. FATE would because once Poore had discovered El Nido, FATE would want to prevent any major changes on the main continent that might prevent it from being built, and if it could spread its manipulation through Poore, and through Poore's dominance, the entire world, it could ensure its existance. However, FATE would probably be opposed to that idea as it majorly affects the future in a way that could possibly be harmful. Belthasar on the other hand, may have forseen Poore's military strength and conquest to somehow be useful to bring Serge to save Schala, since we already know how much else he's manipulated.
Either way, I believe that a more definite resolution would have revealed this as well as other questions like the formation of the Dead Sea. With Schala saved Project Kid is unneccessary and thus Chronopolis may never have had to been built (or at least travel through time). This would mean that FATE could not spread its influence through Poore as it isn't around. However, Schala says that now Serge can live his life, but this would neccessitate the create of the El Nido islands by Chronopolis (and then in would also appear to create the need for Serge to be saved from doom as he was twice in CC, unless perhaps Marbule did have a cure) and if FATE is still around then Poore's militarism would presumably be enforced. However if Belthasar organized the whole thing he could simply go back into time and erase the change once Serge saved Schala, allowing Guardia to flourish once again. Yet none of this is really explained in any detail in the game, I have a feeling that the developers purposefully left unanswered questions in the game in order for a sequel to more easily be fit in (CT really didn't have many loose plot strands and those it did have were turned into this convoluted plot).
*I say this because when visiting the Dead Sea they blame Serge for somehow causing it to happen, yet if Serge gets to live his life in the end of the game, wouldn't the future predicted in the Dead Sea still come to pass since Serge is alive?
I believe that this, along with explainations of what exactly the Dead Sea* is, would result from a clear ending. If Poore's militarism is because of Fiona's forest, or wanting to get it's hands on the Masamune or Sun Stone, we would have been able to see the beginnings of its military nature in CT, after we made those changes. The only changes we can't see are those after Crono and co. defeat Lavos, because the game ends. This would suggest that El Nido's discovery is the cause of Poore's militarism. As indicated in an interview with MK (not sure if I got that right...) there was an influence outside time that caused Poore's military build-up. This could be a number of choices. The two main ones I think have the greatest possibility of wanting Poore to build up it's military are FATE and Belthasar. FATE would because once Poore had discovered El Nido, FATE would want to prevent any major changes on the main continent that might prevent it from being built, and if it could spread its manipulation through Poore, and through Poore's dominance, the entire world, it could ensure its existance. However, FATE would probably be opposed to that idea as it majorly affects the future in a way that could possibly be harmful. Belthasar on the other hand, may have forseen Poore's military strength and conquest to somehow be useful to bring Serge to save Schala, since we already know how much else he's manipulated.
Either way, I believe that a more definite resolution would have revealed this as well as other questions like the formation of the Dead Sea. With Schala saved Project Kid is unneccessary and thus Chronopolis may never have had to been built (or at least travel through time). This would mean that FATE could not spread its influence through Poore as it isn't around. However, Schala says that now Serge can live his life, but this would neccessitate the create of the El Nido islands by Chronopolis (and then in would also appear to create the need for Serge to be saved from doom as he was twice in CC, unless perhaps Marbule did have a cure) and if FATE is still around then Poore's militarism would presumably be enforced. However if Belthasar organized the whole thing he could simply go back into time and erase the change once Serge saved Schala, allowing Guardia to flourish once again. Yet none of this is really explained in any detail in the game, I have a feeling that the developers purposefully left unanswered questions in the game in order for a sequel to more easily be fit in (CT really didn't have many loose plot strands and those it did have were turned into this convoluted plot).
*I say this because when visiting the Dead Sea they blame Serge for somehow causing it to happen, yet if Serge gets to live his life in the end of the game, wouldn't the future predicted in the Dead Sea still come to pass since Serge is alive?
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