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[chrono trigger]

well since i have a lot of questions and i dont want to waste of this forums space this is the topic where i(or whoever wants) will make my questions
right now i have one in my head

on CC i am now in the place u face time devouver for the 1st time(with the 6 dragon forms and i have a qusetion.
is the dragon gods lavos?the frozen flame thing about having any dream accomplised is a trap just like belthasar said to lure serge into lavos?and why the dragons want to kill humans?and also why lynx/fate wanted to kill serge?and i know wazuki is lyc for my first playthough but since i havent learned it yet how we know it?sorry for the lenght of my questions but i know that there are kind users in this forum and as always they are going to answer my questions:)

[Zaperking]

well since i have a lot of questions and i dont want to waste of this forums space this is the topic where i(or whoever wants) will make my questions
right now i have one in my head

on CC i am now in the place u face time devouver for the 1st time(with the 6 dragon forms and i have a qusetion.
is the dragon gods lavos?the frozen flame thing about having any dream accomplised is a trap just like belthasar said to lure serge into lavos?and why the dragons want to kill humans?and also why lynx/fate wanted to kill serge?and i know wazuki is lyc for my first playthough but since i havent learned it yet how we know it?sorry for the lenght of my questions but i know that there are kind users in this forum and as always they are going to answer my questions:)

1) The Time Devourer on Terra Tower is not the Time Devourer at all. It's the combination of the 6 dragons + Harle (But they're a projection of the real Dragon God since it was devoured by Lavos a long time ago. They're just spirits, except for Harle. That's why it was known as the projection of the Time Devourer, even thought it technically wasn't.). Now that FATE was destroyed, the Dragons were able to remerge again, and the whole point of making Serge destroy FATE was that so they could merge and attempt to take over the human world, as they say - the Planet hates humans for what they've done, and what their like "Father" (LAVos) has done.

2)Lavos is in the DBT (Darkness Beyond Time) merging with Schala to oneday form the Time Devourer.

3)Belthasar does not want Serge to be lured to Lavos. He needs Serge to save Schala, and the Flame is Schala talking through it.

4) Lynx killed Serge in 1010AD. Kid then went back in time and saved Serge which caused the dimensional split. In one world, Serge was killed. In the other, he is alive. The reason behind this was that FATE thought that the Flame would be unlocked if Serge died, as he is the arbiter, but it didn't work. Personally, FATE should have dragged his corpse up to the door and gotten the scan.

[chrono trigger]

wow thanks a lot for answering my questions so much zaper.u managed to answer any question i had instaid of saying''go to this faq''etc.
thats why i dig u most along with fxchar in this forum from all other members

[Tonjevic]

If Schala is talking through the flame, maybe all its healing capabilities, rumoured ability to grant wishes, and various pwers are schala using magic through the flame itself, and its not the corruption of Lavos giving it such powers.

[Zaperking]

If Schala is talking through the flame, maybe all its healing capabilities, rumoured ability to grant wishes, and various pwers are schala using magic through the flame itself, and its not the corruption of Lavos giving it such powers.

The flame has done it before.

Basically -

1) The Flame doesn't truely grant wishes. All it probably does is either make an alternate reality come true or gives you enough power to make your dreams come true (eg. Making Zeal immortal ith Lavos' power).

2) The Flame showed it's powers before that, as how it reincarnated Schala and basically.. healed her troubled heart. The flame only gives a link between someone and Lavos. Schala is merging with Lavos, so she indirectly is a part of him, so if someone is linked to the flame, they are also open to her subconscious. Atleast I think that's right. she got Kid pretty upset with telling her the truth.

Meh, who knows. As it was rumored, the flame had such powers even before 1006AD. For one, we do know that it has enough power to evolve things unnaturally Oo You could channal the process of evolution (and the power used to) to heal things, I guess.

[chrono trigger]

If Schala is talking through the flame, maybe all its healing capabilities, rumoured ability to grant wishes, and various pwers are schala using magic through the flame itself, and its not the corruption of Lavos giving it such powers.

The flame has done it before.

Basically -

1) The Flame doesn't truely grant wishes. All it probably does is either make an alternate reality come true or gives you enough power to make your dreams come true (eg. Making Zeal immortal ith Lavos' power).

2) The Flame showed it's powers before that, as how it reincarnated Schala and basically.. healed her troubled heart. The flame only gives a link between someone and Lavos. Schala is merging with Lavos, so she indirectly is a part of him, so if someone is linked to the flame, they are also open to her subconscious. Atleast I think that's right. she got Kid pretty upset with telling her the truth.

Meh, who knows. As it was rumored, the flame had such powers even before 1006AD. For one, we do know that it has enough power to evolve things unnaturally Oo You could channal the process of evolution (and the power used to) to heal things, I guess.

when u say it had powers before 1006 ad u mean it had powers before it came contact with serge?

[Zaperking]

If Schala is talking through the flame, maybe all its healing capabilities, rumoured ability to grant wishes, and various pwers are schala using magic through the flame itself, and its not the corruption of Lavos giving it such powers.

The flame has done it before.

Basically -

1) The Flame doesn't truely grant wishes. All it probably does is either make an alternate reality come true or gives you enough power to make your dreams come true (eg. Making Zeal immortal ith Lavos' power).

2) The Flame showed it's powers before that, as how it reincarnated Schala and basically.. healed her troubled heart. The flame only gives a link between someone and Lavos. Schala is merging with Lavos, so she indirectly is a part of him, so if someone is linked to the flame, they are also open to her subconscious. Atleast I think that's right. she got Kid pretty upset with telling her the truth.

Meh, who knows. As it was rumored, the flame had such powers even before 1006AD. For one, we do know that it has enough power to evolve things unnaturally Oo You could channal the process of evolution (and the power used to) to heal things, I guess.

when u say it had powers before 1006 ad u mean it had powers before it came contact with serge?

What I was trying to say is that the Flame had been there since Lavos' landing, and the rumours of it's power had been displayed before that. The first time Schala interviened through the Flame was in 1006AD, and the flames power was displayed. Because we know that the rumours about it's power have been going on for centuries and how it was in El Nido, the power of the Flame isn't Schala's. Schala may have just let Serge get close to it without burning or being corrupted. She may have let the flame heal him, for instance, otherwise he may have gotten burned or frozen or whatever.

[chrono trigger]

so you if i got it correclty u mean something like that:

schala DIDNT heal serge she just helped him get close to the flame because she wanted to save him.flame did all the work and since serge was the first one to come in contact with the flame he became the arbitor
but since other people where close to the flame how the did now became the arbitor?
damn i kinda confused:P

[Zaperking]

so you if i got it correclty u mean something like that:

schala DIDNT heal serge she just helped him get close to the flame because she wanted to save him.flame did all the work and since serge was the first one to come in contact with the flame he became the arbitor
but since other people where close to the flame how the did now became the arbitor?
damn i kinda confused:P

I don't know. But Schala called Wazuki to bring Serge close to the flame, and he got healed via the Flame's power, or just Lavos' energy. Since he touched it, he became affiliated with Lavos, hence he became the Arbiter of the Flame, and the Arbiter of Time (as in the Prometheus Lock one).

Basically, since Serge was chosen, Wazuki was corrupted by the Flame (it's weird, since FATE did have it's wish come true to create it's own spieces. The Flame destroyed Wazuki's mind and soul, and gave FATE a body to become it's own bio-organic one).

I always thought Schala was the first arbiter, and since she is the arbiter anyway, she was able to control the flame from burning Serge or whatever. But Ultimania does say that since he touched the flame, that's when he became the Assasin of Time since he not only caused FATE to turn from it's objective of protecting human kind, but also became special and might fuse with the Time Devourer in the end or something.

[Namara]

I think I just read about that theory, about how the creators originally planned that Serge would fuse with the time devourerer if he didn't destroy it.  They abandoned it for whatever reason, but it does seem plausible seeing as how Schala after having contact with the frozen flame in Zeal became fused with Lavos.  I think leaving it in would've thickened the plot a bit, but I guess they figured that the plot was thick enough anyway. *shrugs*