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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2006, 11:22:31 pm »
it uses elastic vines and a trigger system, as well as the magical magnetic properties of dreamstone to keep a meta projectile hovering without friction in the barrel. Without friction, and using the magical powers of dreamston, and using the powers of the vines, projectiles are able to be accelerated to super fast speeds with comparatively small machining and workmanship.

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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2006, 09:30:10 am »
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BUT.. AND A BIG BUT... How the hell cn pre historic people make guns? Obviously, this is just for game purposes. They maybe made a dreamstone bow... but really.. a gun... Like hardly anyone in 1000 AD has a gun, and these people magically have it.

Lucca or Robo or whoever in the party either:
-tells the prehistoric merchant how to build a gun,
-or builds the gun herself/himself by buying materials from the merchant.
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As for Robo, his lasers etc as Spekkio said repecate Shadow magic, so it wouldn't be any surprise to me if he could use his power to not only compress it but heat it up too.

So you don't have to know magic to process Dreamstone. Robo's Techs are Shadow elemental (though isn't Shock Lightning elemental? I forgot), but even Crono's level 2 Tech Slash is Lightning elemental, without being a magic spell. Same goes for Lucca's Flame Toss.

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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2006, 10:16:24 pm »
About the golems...

They have a red dot in the center of their foreheads. Couldn't that be a piece of Dreamstone? Perhaps the golems were animated ground, using the dreamstone in their forehead as some sort of medium?

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« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2006, 10:48:21 pm »
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So you don't have to know magic to process Dreamstone. Robo's Techs are Shadow elemental (though isn't Shock Lightning elemental? I forgot), but even Crono's level 2 Tech Slash is Lightning elemental, without being a magic spell. Same goes for Lucca's Flame Toss.


Robo has Shadow, Lightning, and Fire elemental techs.

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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2006, 10:57:03 pm »
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Since it is only the ROYAL FAMILY'S red rock, i'd think it wouldn't be in a vast supply, and it seems the Mammon Machine, Ruby Knife and Pendant were all that was made of it.

Seeing as Dalton is one of the most powerful figures in Zealian politics and the creator of the Blackbird, I would not be suprised if Queen Zeal granted him access to Dreamstone (small very small amounts...) or maybe the Golems were created by Zeal before and granted to Dalton later (still probably small or highly unprocessed amounts)...

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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2006, 04:58:19 am »
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Since it is only the ROYAL FAMILY'S red rock, i'd think it wouldn't be in a vast supply, and it seems the Mammon Machine, Ruby Knife and Pendant were all that was made of it.

Seeing as Dalton is one of the most powerful figures in Zealian politics and the creator of the Blackbird, I would not be suprised if Queen Zeal granted him access to Dreamstone (small very small amounts...) or maybe the Golems were created by Zeal before and granted to Dalton later (still probably small or highly unprocessed amounts)...


OMFG. this made me lool so bad.

Dude... I don't know what you've been on whilst you played CT....

Dalton DID NOT make the Black Bird. BELTHASAR DID. Belthasar's skills are what make it seem life like. And it's already been said. The only things that were ever made of the family's royal rock were the Mammon Machine, Pendant and Ruby Knife. At that point, only the Guru's have the skill to do such a thing.

Also, Dalton is more of Queen Zeal's lacky. He's not that far above everyone else, since she kept him as a guard, and had some other more important Zealians be there as the Mammon Machine was being activated.

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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2006, 09:35:07 pm »
Though the guru says 'it hasn't been available for a long time' he aslo says 'it was used as money'. I'm guessing there was a fair bit of it around in Zeal for it to be used as currency, and the reason it's unavailable is that it's all at the bottom of the ocean in the time periods that follow.

Why not get more in other time periods? The technology wouldn't be available in earlier times, and in later times it may well be the Zeal race had mined most of it out already, and perhaps also the technique for mining and knowledge of where it was found are lost.

Taking this theory in a craaazy tangent...maybe when the red rock hit the ocean floor (the closest place to the core of the planet) it was re-absorbed by Lavos? That would certainly make it so that red rock was not available in other times...Yeah, odd theory, not sure it that one even makes sense.

But I think in Zeal it wouldn't be impossible to have a golem made from Red Rock.

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2006, 01:43:13 pm »
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Though the guru says 'it hasn't been available for a long time' he aslo says 'it was used as money'. I'm guessing there was a fair bit of it around in Zeal for it to be used as currency, and the reason it's unavailable is that it's all at the bottom of the ocean in the time periods that follow.


He never stated that it was used as currency in Zeal, just that it at some point was.

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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2006, 04:05:08 pm »
I always assumed that he meant that the red rock was used as currency in 65,000,000 since he was trying to point you in the direction of that era in the first place and not to Zeal.  Seeing as how that's the ealiest era available to you at the time that he mentions this, I think that it's safe to assume that he's talking about 65,000,000.

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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2006, 04:05:46 pm »
If it was used as currency, it could have been very rare. So because it's so shiny and stuff, it'd have value. But also by meaning currency, they could mean that they traded dreamstone for other products. Like we trade some feathers, stones and leaves to get ruby items.

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« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2006, 01:18:37 am »
No. Currency implies a trade system with denominations of constant value, used to represent the value of said weapon. The feathers, horns and whatever else are just different denominations of the same currency, with dreamstone being (supposedly) more valuable than them.

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« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2006, 03:05:56 am »
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No. Currency implies a trade system with denominations of constant value, used to represent the value of said weapon. The feathers, horns and whatever else are just different denominations of the same currency, with dreamstone being (supposedly) more valuable than them.


Yeah, but only cheifs had dreamstone or were allowed to have it, so it wouldn't be a very good one.

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« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2006, 02:47:11 pm »
It couldn't be currency in 65,000,000 because it is so rare. And plus, Melchior wasn't leading them anywhere, he was merely statung where Dreamstone can be found. It's not like he knew they could time travel...at that point.