Mysteries of the Dreamstone

[Naz]

Quite similar to the Sith!

How is it similar to the Sith Naz?

The Sith rely on their emotions such as anger and hatred to fuel their power. This is similar to the Zealians.

The Jedi (Cavepeople from 65mil. BC) are selfess and realize the dangers of such emotions. Ayla did not hold a grudge with Azala and even tried to help him/her. Whereas Queen Zeal hated Magus for what he had done as the Prophet. Zeal's pure loyalty to Lavos is what led to her demise which was quite similar to Palpatine.

[Zenning]

I heard GrayLensman from another thread.

The red rock that was spoken about, that granted humanity advanced evolution, and thus heightened intelligence, and then magic, was the Sun Stone.

I think we can agree that the Sun Stone was a product of the Planet, yes?

The problem with that is that the Dreamstone is distinctly red, whereas the Sun Stone is nothing of the sort.

WELL, the Sun Stone, if you look at illustrations from the NP Player's Guide, is yellow when it has gathered sun light. Of course, it could be red, if it gathered enough sun light. It could possibly contain all colors of the spectrum, as it does trap light...

...but whatever. Gray Lensman says it was the Sun Stone, and I believe him.

Yea, the Sun Stone's kinda gray, and it just gathers sunlight. None of this Love and Hate crap.

Yes, I was totally off on this one...the Love and the Hate were the halves of the Dragon Tear. Sorry. But hey, I'm freakin' Belthasar!

[GrayLensman]

...but whatever. Gray Lensman says it was the Sun Stone, and I believe him.

I'm sorry, but I don't remember actually stating this.  Could you direct me to the topic where this comment originated?

[Zaperking]

Umm no... Because the quote if from CT, before CC was even made and the love and hate parts of the Dragon Tear were made.......

I don't believe it is the Sun Stone. Lucca turned it into a fucking weapon for crying out loud >.> Something so powerful wouldn't easily be mended. Remember how long it took Melchior and Lucca/Robo to melt or whatever do to change the dreamstone into something that they could use to mend the Masamune?

I mean, most people can't even get close to the FF. The Sun Stone is out of the picture here. If it was indeed this, then Belthasar would have claimed it as "a strange shard of the sun" >.>

From game evidence from CT's kindof a sequal, CC, I believe that it is the FF. 3,000,000 Years would be aeons anyway.

[SilentMartyr]

How can something that was on the planet long before Lavos arrived be attached to Lavos? It's not like chunks of Lavos just fall from the sky onto the planet haphazardly. The dreamstone is most likely what Belthasar was refering to.

[V_Translanka]

Perhaps you can think just a lil absurdly and think that Lavos, when a spawn on another planet, picked up some of that planet's Dreamstone (or Dreamstone equivelent)...?

[Lord J Esq]

Perhaps you can think just a lil absurdly and think that Lavos, when a spawn on another planet, picked up some of that planet's Dreamstone (or Dreamstone equivelent)...?

That's preposterous. Everyone knows that Dreamstone is the product of reverse ecology. When Lavos erupted in 1999, some of the humans got swallowed into the Pocket Dimension along with some bogs and marshes, and went on to be buried alive underneath the peat moss. Now, everyone knows that time in the lower hemiquarter of the Pocket Dimension flows perfectly backwards. So, therefore, for the next 65 million years, those poor humans' big soggy brains were slowly crystalized into a rarified red rock that consisted of concentrated dreams. Because Dreamstone is extremely hard, with a hardness rating triple that of diamond, bits and pieces of it would grow so sharp that occasionally a Lavos Burp would jostle them, causing a tear in the Pocket Dimension, at which these shards of Dreamstone would be expelled into the normal world. This explains why Dreamstone was widely available throughout the world in 65 million B.C., but practically impossible to find in the modern ages. This has been another edition of Science Weekly with Josh.

[SilentMartyr]

You just killed my brain.

[Zaperking]

The more important thing is: How is dreamstone strange?
I mean, it looks like a normal rock. Crono and co didn't say anything like :"OMFG! I CAN FEEL IT TALKING TO MY MIND! IM EVOLVING.!!! LOVE AND HATE!!!! %^#&%&" Or anything like that. Now for the Flame, it does do things like that, besides the point that it does look very queer when it's not open.

[SilentMartyr]

I'd like for you to find me a rock that can embody beings into an inanimate object. Oh wait, you can't. Pretty special to me.

[PhantomBPR]

Personaly, I always thought that it was a metaphor, and I'm not even sure if they were talking of that exact rock, I thought that they meant, that when man picked up a rock and used it, technology was created, it meant that man had discovered how to use a tool, and therefore, had evolved into and intelligent being, from there we advanced to emotions such as love and hate, but that's just my idea.

[Lord J Esq]

Personaly, I always thought that it was a metaphor, and I'm not even sure if they were talking of that exact rock, I thought that they meant, that when man picked up a rock and used it, technology was created, it meant that man had discovered how to use a tool, and therefore, had evolved into and intelligent being, from there we advanced to emotions such as love and hate, but that's just my idea.

Now that's a very interesting remark. I personally had never considered the literalist interpretation until you brought it up. The dreamstone as a symbol of the malleable Earth in the hands of humankind. I like it. I don't think I agree, though, because it doesn't capture that fantastical, magic element that seems to pervade the Japanese fantasy culture, and my own imagination. The Dreamstone in particular is implied to have very special properties, perhaps the very ability to embody some corporeal form of our dreams, or serve as a vessel for the manifestation of dreams. As a rock whose power is metaphoric only, this would not be artistically likely.

However, as a deeper layer of meaning, beneath the Dreamstone's physical qualities, I do like your literalist metaphor very much...

[Discoman]

Well I always thought of the DreamStone as a stone that can harness and preserve magical energies.

[ZeaLitY]

Inquiry

What is the book in Kajar referring to?

<pre>
It all began aeons ago, when man's
ancestors picked up a shard of astrange red rock...

Its power, which was beyond human
comprehension, cultivated dreams...
In turn, love and hate were born...

Only time will see how it all ends.
</pre>

Answer

It depensd on whether the concept of the Frozen Flame was thought of before Chrono Trigger was released. While Chrono Trigger's overarching plot was a collaborative effort, Masato Kato exclusively did 12000 B.C.; since he later took over the series, in which the Frozen Flame is fully presented, it is possible that this entry refers to the mythical item. In this context, this quotation would be a record of Zeal detailing the evolution of humans from their early counterparts (think Ayla) to their current structure and brain size. However, if the Frozen Flame is not the intended item here, then Dreamstone may make a shaky substitute. The royal family of Zeal did hold Dreamstone, but it nonetheless stands that Dreamstone was not utilized as a power source until well after Zeal was established. What does qualify in this regard is the Sun Stone, which probably was the key artifact that allowed Zeal to raise its islands and establish its civilization. It was used well up until shortly before Zeal's demise, when it was relegated to the Sun Palace as the scientists opted to use the Mammon Machine for energy instead. Sadly, the Sun Stone is brownish, not red.

This quote is enigmatic, mainly because early humans were shown as being intelligent creatures well before the encounter with the Frozen Flame around 3000000 B.C. Ayla even remarks to the party that she had a prophetic dream. This means the passage is largely a metaphor, and can be interpreted in this light to mean that humanity's intelligence -- specifically, the ability to use tools -- is what carried their dreams.

[Zaperking]

Let's not forget that Chronopolis validated this, and pretty much reflected back what Belthasar said. They pretty much said the same thing, and the fact that humans were a mistake (the current evolved ones anyway) and are more of a mutation and half evolved makes them beings torn between love and hate, just as Belthasar said that love and hate were born when it all happened.