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[Burning Zeppelin]

The thing about no sex until marriage concept is that it is not that bad. First of all it makes us stronger    Secondly, it makes us have sex with the one we love. Thirdly, like some random said before me, it makes you only have one partner, which limits the chance of any STD's.
Contrary to what many think, sexism makes me VERY mad. Racism, however, makes me absoutely sick (having much experience, being for one, having ancestory from the Subcontinent, and two being very dark skinned) and I believe should be punished as the same as treason  

[Radical_Dreamer]

The thing about no sex until marriage concept is that it is not that bad. First of all it makes us stronger    

Except that it doesn't. Sex is good for your body.

Secondly, it makes us have sex with the one we love.

Except that it doesn't. Marriage doesn't neccesitate love, nor does love neccesitate marriage.

Thirdly, like some random said before me, it makes you only have one partner, which limits the chance of any STD's.

Assuming that your partner is faithful, and had no STDs before marrying you. Remember, sex isn't the only way you can get most of these diseases.

[Burning Zeppelin]

The thing about no sex until marriage concept is that it is not that bad. First of all it makes us stronger    

Except that it doesn't. Sex is good for your body.

I didn't mean physically.

Secondly, it makes us have sex with the one we love.

Except that it doesn't. Marriage doesn't neccesitate love, nor does love neccesitate marriage.

I meant marriage as in a trust bonded love marriage.

Thirdly, like some random said before me, it makes you only have one partner, which limits the chance of any STD's.

Assuming that your partner is faithful, and had no STDs before marrying you. Remember, sex isn't the only way you can get most of these diseases.

I said "limits". And it does. Well, if you are faithful and don't get married but have one partner like my friends mum, then thats cool too.

[Radical_Dreamer]

The thing about no sex until marriage concept is that it is not that bad. First of all it makes us stronger    

Except that it doesn't. Sex is good for your body.

I didn't mean physically.

Oh. Then you're just plain wrong. Or shall I put it like this: You can train to deny yourself what you want. You can certainly get better at it, as you condition yourself. But that doesn't make you stronger willed, and there is nothing magical about sex that makes it a better or worse subject for the exercise. If anything, it's worse, because it requires a second person. Abstience from, say, alcohol, requires more work, as (depending on local laws) you don't have to convince others to aquire it for you.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Well ok then, I stand corrected.

[GreenGannon]

The thing about no sex until marriage concept is that it is not that bad. First of all it makes us stronger    

Except that it doesn't. Sex is good for your body.

I didn't mean physically.

Oh. Then you're just plain wrong.

As are you. Remember, nearly everything is both good and bad for you in some sense. Abstinence does wonders for your self-control.

[Radical_Dreamer]

The thing about no sex until marriage concept is that it is not that bad. First of all it makes us stronger    

Except that it doesn't. Sex is good for your body.

I didn't mean physically.

Oh. Then you're just plain wrong.

As are you. Remember, nearly everything is both good and bad for you in some sense. Abstinence does wonders for your self-control.

As I said, in a more general sense, abstience can help build self control. But sexual abstinence is a poor form to use for this purpose, because you and you alone do not control your sex life.

If I want alcohol, I can go to the store right now, purchase it, come home, and drink it. Nothing to stop me but myself. If I want sex, I have to find a woman to have sex with me, and there is no guarntee of success as with chemical abstinence.

Although honestly, denying yourself something you want simply to deny it is silly. Its better to conisder the consequences of your actions, and make a reasoned decision.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Well...you can always get prostitutes! That or with your infinite knowledge, build one of those sexbots...

[GreenGannon]

No, I'm pretty sure that if I don't want sex, then I won't have it. No one else besides me makes that decision.

But can you honestly make the claim that I even want sex before marriage?

[Burning Zeppelin]

Yes. Yes I can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust

[Magus22]

Yes. Yes I can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust

Zeppelin, you and your Wikis have an answer to everything

[GreenGannon]

I may think someone is pretty or hot, but that doesn't mean that I have a desire to have sex with that person.

[Lord J Esq]

I may think someone is pretty or hot, but that doesn't mean that I have a desire to have sex with that person.

Yes and no. By definition, these sorts of perceptions are libidinous. Regardless of whether they directly compel you to feel sexual desire for said people in particular, they stir the concept of sex and therefore arouse your sex drive to whatever degree. The dubious religious values which you implicitly flaunt in your sig do not make you immune to the vagaries of the human condition. There is such a thing as aesthetic versus sexual beauty, and, sir, if I may, you have not yet spoken of the former.

The only possible alternative for you is even worse: You may simply be repeating ideas exposed to you by others, without knowing what you are talking about. And for this to be likely, you would either have to be prepubescent, physiologically debilitated, or seriously mentally dysfunctional.

[Radical_Dreamer]

No, I'm pretty sure that if I don't want sex, then I won't have it. No one else besides me makes that decision.

Perhaps you misunderstand me. It takes one person to not have sex, you are correct. However, it takes two people to have sex, thus why it is a poor exercise for testing your will. To aquire it requires the consent of another.

[GreenGannon]

Regardless of whether they directly compel you to feel sexual desire for said people in particular, they stir the concept of sex and therefore arouse your sex drive to whatever degree.

But I don't consciously desire to have sex with these people, which is the point I was trying to make.

The dubious religious values which you implicitly flaunt in your sig...

I've been around the internet a few times. The majority of it, it seems, considers either Conservatives, Christians, or both to be physical representations of scum. It tires me, quite frankly. Whether or not that sentiment resides on this board as well, I haven't been able to come to a conclusion.

I am not, as one would say, a fundamentalist. I stray from the right-wing in a number of areas, in fact. But that doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people.

Anyway, moving on.

...do not make you immune to the vagaries of the human condition.

Never said it did, did I? All I simply said is that I don't consciously desire premarital sex.

There is such a thing as aesthetic versus sexual beauty, and, sir, if I may, you have not yet spoken of the former.

I'm not sure what you mean by aesthetic versus sexual, and I'm afraid I cannot answer your question unless you explain it a little further.

The only possible alternative for you is even worse: You may simply be repeating ideas exposed to you by others, without knowing what you are talking about. And for this to be likely, you would either have to be prepubescent, physiologically debilitated, or seriously mentally dysfunctional.

None of which are rather flattering, and hopefully none of which are true. Besides, it's not like I'm not attracted to the opposite sex or anything.

And I concede the point, Radical.