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« Reply #90 on: April 09, 2006, 06:16:24 pm »
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So FATE gathers info on something that never even existed as far as she's concerned? Because she seems to have loads of data over him. Too much, actually, if the Dead Sea and historical records are all she has.

Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross both STATE that Lavos was present underground. I know the issue with Lavos in CT, but you really can't ignore things stated in every Chrono game.

Have you read the link or misunderstood something in my post? Lavos does exist for FATE and everyone in Keystone T-2, but only in Prehistory, Dark Ages, and 1999 AD. Lavos hit the planet in 65,000,000 BC, that would be hard for FATE not to notice that. After the impact, Lavos created a pocket dimension in which he hid himself. This PD is kinda independent from the Keystone T-x dimension.

"During" Keystone T-1, the PD exists and that's how Lavos and the planet and Crono's party interact with each other. "During" Keystone T-2, the PD doesn't exist anymore since Crono defeated Lavos in the previous Keystone. So Lavos-in-his-PD doesn't exist in Keystone T-2.

However, Lavos did exit his PD in 12,000 BC and 1,999 AD. For those 2 brief moments, Lavos actually entered Keystone T-1 and T-2 before returning to his PD.

So, FATE could have learnt about Lavos from all those factors: the Red Star's fall in 65,000,000 BC, Lavos's eruption in 12,000 BC, Lavos's eruption and defeat in 1,999 AD, communication with the Frozen Flame, informations in the Dead Sea, Belthasar's input, etc.

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« Reply #91 on: April 09, 2006, 06:40:48 pm »
Oh yeah, sorry for going offtopic, however we did it :O

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Okay. So what you basically saying that if we ignore the analystic pictures of Lavos, the entire ward that conducted research on Lavos, and the fact that Lavos actually lives several Kilometers underground beneath her, all she know is that something big made the world go boom and that the Dead Sea is the mirror. Uh-huh.

   An extraterrestrial life-form
   that is thought to have
   fallen from the heavens
   65 million years ago.

  On the time line that existed
   before history was changed,
   Lavos was assumed
to have
   slept deep below the planet's
   surface...
  Sleeping and consuming the
   planet's energy up until the
   day of destruction known as
   the '"Apocalypse."'
   There are those who believe
   that, 12 thousand years ago,
   the legendary ancient magical
   civilization known as Zeal
   came into contact with Lavos.
   That fateful encounter is
   said to have resulted in
   Zeal disappearing from the
   surface of the planet within
   the space of a single night.
   However, the very existence
   of the ancient civilization
   of Zeal has never been proven,
   so up till this day this
   theory cannot be confirmed.
   On some time lines, Lavos
   appeared on the surface of
   the planet in the year 1999
   and brought the world to
   ruins.
  However, a group of young
   time travelers saw where
   their planet's history was
   heading and, through their
   actions, rewrote time.
   This very research facility
   exists on that new time line...
   In a world where, thanks to
   the defeat of Lavos by the
   young adventurers, the
   Apocalypse never happened
...
   On a temporal vector where
   human civilization continued
   to evolve unhampered.
   All the data on Lavos that was
   obtained from tracing different
   parallel world possibilities
   has proven to be volatile
, with
   fluctuating discrepencies.
  Perhaps, at this point in time,
   it is nearly impossible to
   obtain any true information
   about Lavos.


This pretty much says it all. So doe those monitors. FATE does not know exactly anything about Lavos. Heck, they're assuming Lavos was inside the Earth before time was changed, because Lavos never exited on their time scale. And why would Chronopolis say "On some timelines" instead of "in our past". This is because he didn't exist the Earth. No images have been taken of Lavos, or data from their own timeline. As I said, Most of what FATE has has been through parallel world tracing and which probably means the Dead Sea too. That is why it goes on to say that it's probably impossible for Chronopolis to gain any true information on Lavos now, since it's gone from their own world.

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As far as Kid goes... she's not anyone's good side. God, if Kid's Schala's good side, I don't want to see her bad side. Seriously, Kid's not a good, sweet person. She's got a pretty venemous presonality, she's a thief who doesn't fear to kill when needed. Kid's not a good side, she's a clone! Just someone with the same DNA. If Schala sent her off with all her hopes, that's nice and dandy, but it's certainly not supposed to effect her.

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No Zaper, it's not that she split Kid off as an incarnation of her Good Side. It's that she made Kid with her last ounce of goodness before it faded.

Oh alright, the quote on the destructive-mind part always made me think that she wanted to safeguard her innocene and so for that reason she sent it out (or atleast the will that would one day want to save her). But true, I don't like Kid as a character much. She kinda spoiled Schala for me, so if they do ever merge, Schala will always be the dominant one in my mind :)

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« Reply #92 on: April 09, 2006, 06:59:28 pm »
Safeguard her innocence... She never lost it! Schala was always Schala, Lavos just creeped into her mind and put Schala to sleep. Schala sent a clone so it could work with Serge to free her, not unlike the Dragons sending a seventh Dragon to spy on FATE to free themselves.

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« Reply #93 on: April 09, 2006, 11:05:24 pm »
Schala was never really innocent. Innocence implies naiveness and immaturity. It has no correlation with being pure and kind. That's a misconception formed by anime or whatever. If Schala was innocent, she would never realize the dangers of draining Lavos' energy and thus never take action, and thus she would probably have died with the rest of the Zealians and CC would've never happened.

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« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2006, 05:07:14 am »
It makes sense to say Schala took the sane parts of herself and sent them into the world as a clone, not as a good-half of herself. Cuz Kid's badass. Not goodass. Though her ass is definetely good.

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I've been offering that possibility since I GOT here. -.-


Oh. Must've missed it.

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« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2006, 06:19:23 am »
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It makes sense to say Schala took the sane parts of herself and sent them into the world as a clone, not as a good-half of herself. Cuz Kid's badass. Not goodass. Though her ass is definetely good.



I'd usually call it her sanity, but I guess it would attribute to her goodside too because Schala was being torn in half, as so to speak. Half of her wanted to destroy the world, and the side that she sent out was what she had left, the side that wanted to save the world and herself.

Also, I just realised about something that Aura said.

Schala isn't innocent. This exactally reflects to what RD stated. Schala had been guilt stricken, and she knows it was her who cast the first stone in the avalanche of events that caused Zeal to be destroyed. The person who Kid was speaking to in the flame must have been Schala's dark side, as the being was talking about causing the destruction of Zeal, and saying that Kid was someone else or a part of them.
Heck, Maybe even Harle got a bit of that personality from Schala, as in the guilt. Kid, I don't remember her showing any remorse, but Harle shows some emotion like that. She regrets the fact that she loves Serge, and it hurts her, and that one day she has to fight him for her brothers and sisters. And shes feeling all the guilt here, shes not blaming it on anyone, or anything. This is why it has always been Schala = Harle to me.