Author Topic: Lavos' "persona"  (Read 4058 times)

Daniel Krispin

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2006, 03:56:29 am »
I don't buy the idea that he's a simple parasite. His biotechnology points otherwise. He has knowledge of his actions, and he questions their validity at Terra Tower. Is that not he asking if one must destroy another's planet in order to survive? He is wondering why that must be, why life only comes from destruction. He is, biologically, a parasite and destroyer, and seems very much to be conflicted about that. That makes for a rather complex personality. I think most of his race don't give it a second thought. But he was destroyed (or almost so) in a counterattack by very strong heroes defending their home world, and that probably made him think if he is justified in killing such as they. Moreover, Schala's connection to him likely gave him an understanding of a conflicted human psyche, and gave him further reason to ponder.

However, it is rather difficult to say that he was corrupted by humanity. It is supposed in the game that the reverse is true - that humanity was tainted by this extraterrestrial source. As such, it would be rather difficult to be tainted by that which is only tainted because of him.

You know, Lavos' conflict is really the same that humanity might face. I rather think he is supposed to be humanity, or a human, writ large. After all, humans must eat and damage the world around to survive. Where is the justification for this? We ask ourselves this, and so does Lavos. He has, I think, become disillusioned with who he is - at least in Cross, he has. Perhaps, even, he has been driven mad. I am certain the creature is conscious and intelligent in Trigger. The only question is, I suppose, his evil, especially if you consider him a larger version of humanity, and how we deal with our environment.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2006, 11:14:47 am »
Lavos is much like Galactus. He's neither good or evil. He must feed in order to survive.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2006, 12:36:28 pm »
I've compared Lavos to Galactus before, except much more elaborate.

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I like to think of Lavos as similar to Galactus. The original Lavos was born at the Big Bang, going from planet to planet, inseminating them, killing them off and sending it's spawn to continue it's work. The planets Lavos destroys are planets with no evolutionary potential, wastes of space and whatnot, and the planets that do defeat him are planets that can evolve and help lead all living things to a "higher dimension" (The Sea of Zurvan?) And that, just like Galactus, all the damage Lavos does will be paid back in full and more so, the good Lavos does far outclassing the bad. (Since he did save our asses against the Reptites and all, and because of Lavos, Schala became a higher, possibly quasi-dimensional being corresponding to an Ascended Master.)

Not to say Lavos is a hero or anything. Just a force of nature that every life bearing planet needs to deal with.

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Re: Lavos' "persona"
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2006, 06:13:36 pm »
I don't buy the idea that he's a simple parasite. His biotechnology points otherwise. He has knowledge of his actions, and he questions their validity at Terra Tower. Is that not he asking if one must destroy another's planet in order to survive? He is wondering why that must be, why life only comes from destruction. He is, biologically, a parasite and destroyer, and seems very much to be conflicted about that. That makes for a rather complex personality. I think most of his race don't give it a second thought. But he was destroyed (or almost so) in a counterattack by very strong heroes defending their home world, and that probably made him think if he is justified in killing such as they. Moreover, Schala's connection to him likely gave him an understanding of a conflicted human psyche, and gave him further reason to ponder.
All this applies to the Devourer of Time only though, not "Lavos". It's the Time Devourer which speaks to the party at Terra Tower through the Frozen Flame.

You know, Lavos' conflict is really the same that humanity might face. I rather think he is supposed to be humanity, or a human, writ large. After all, humans must eat and damage the world around to survive. Where is the justification for this? We ask ourselves this, and so does Lavos. He has, I think, become disillusioned with who he is - at least in Cross, he has. Perhaps, even, he has been driven mad. I am certain the creature is conscious and intelligent in Trigger. The only question is, I suppose, his evil, especially if you consider him a larger version of humanity, and how we deal with our environment.
I really like this point of view though. I once thought about possible stories for Chrono Break (I'm sure every Chrono fan has), and one idea I came up with was that humanity could become the "new Lavos", now that the original Lavos is dead. In the future, humans explore space, they one day discover a planet with living beings, they colonize it and start making experiments for their own benefit but to the detriment of the inhabitants... exactly what Lavos did on the Chrono planet, just at a smaller scale.

Mmmh, actually, this makes me think about "The Time Machine". In the movie (probably in the novel too... I didn't read it), the protagonist time-travels millions of years in the future and meet 2 alien-looking species: the frail Elois and the monstrous Morlocks (who eat Elois). Apparently, both species are just very evolved humans, Elois being evolved from the upper class and Morlocks evolved from the working class. Similarly, maybe humans and Lavos are from the same evolutionary path. Lavos could be a very evolved form of the human species (I'm assuming humans on the Chrono planet are not the only humans in the universe)...

Well, anyway, I realize these 2 last paragraphs are much more extrapolation than analysis of the actual game facts.