Reconciling the Pocket Dimension Theory

[ZeaLitY]

Observations:

Lavos' shell is surrounded by a shimmering blue field when it is confronted during the ocean palace disaster and any other time it is fought.

Lavos's abilities and state of being is static in all cases (1999 A.D., Black Omen routes), save for the Ocean Palace battle.

Lavos shell is visible from the ground, without any surrounding field, while the travellers approach in 1999 AD.  The travellers appear in the blue field when they confront Lavos.

I just defeated Lavos in the Ocean Palace, and left through the Gate. Coming to 1999 A.D., he erupts from the ground, and it briefly shows the blue background with his head gone and a hole there. When the party truly approaches him, he is on the ground normally, with no blue field (head still gone).

From the "air" Lavos is observed to impact the earth, erupt to destroy Zeal in 12000 BC and erupt to destroy the world in 1999 AD, without any blue field.

If the bucket or Epoch is used to reach Lavos, it is approached in 1999 AD.


The Lavos core engages the party in a temporal flux sort of arena, in which time periods are at its fingertips. Specifically: Prehistoric (appears like 65 million BC), Zeal (appears like 12000 BC), Middle Ages (appears like 600 AD), "Present" (appears like 1000 AD), "Ruined Future" (appears like 2300 AD).  "Time Warp" is displayed when the time periods shift.  Lavos attacks correspond to the time periods which are displayed.

When the Black Omen is defeated in any era, it is destroyed by a energy beam originating from within the earth.


When the Omen is gone, Lavos erupts. No landforms at all, just a simple ocean graphic.

The Mammon Machine is damaged in the real world, but inside the same blue background, it is unharmed.

If Lavos' shell is defeated, it will still be defeated at any other time, except for the Ocean Palace disaster.

Lithosphere Investigation Report clearly shows him in the real world. Like the "aerial" view on the world map or Day of Lavos record.

Problems

Defeating Lavos inside the pocket dimension prevents the Day of Lavos, but not the destruction of Zeal or any of Lavos' other effects on the earth.

If Lavos' shell is defeated, it will still be defeated at any other time, except for the Ocean Palace disaster, which appears to be an inconsistency.

[V_Translanka]

Here's a rough idea...

Perhaps the Pocket Dimension is not created upon impact as previously thought then...Perhaps it is created sometime later, perhaps after the Ocean Palace disaster as a way of protecting Lavos? Or maybe during?

[Sentenal]

It being created after the Ocean Palace disaster would be a good reason for the head always being there at that point.  Plus, your not ment to beat the head until after that point.

I posted this on another topic, but for arguement's sake, i'll post it here.   Is it possible that when we see Lavos erupt from the earth, that he temporarily left his pocket dimension?  then retreated back when Crono and co. attack him?

[Aitrus]

That's what I'm thinking.  The thing is, when he erupts in 12,000 BC, he comes up from the pocket dimension and is in the Lavos Dimension/Timeline.  He went from being timeless to being part of the flow of time for that brief span.

To put it another way:

Before our heroes started time travelling, the fact that time flowed independently of all other times really didn't matter, because the same amount of time had flowed inside and out.  So when Lavos erupted in 12,000 BC, it was a Lavos that was still intact.  However, that happened independent of any interference of the heroes, resulting in the fact that Lavos has his shell every time.

When he comes forth due to the hero's interference, however, no matter what the calender says, it's still past 1000 AD (or the equivilant) inside the Pocket Dimension, meaning that any damage you've done will still be there.

Am I making sense?  You can't look at it from a linear point of view, or it won't make sense at all.  I'm still confusing myself on it, but I think I got the concept out there correctly.

[SilentMartyr]

If Lavos creats the PD after the ocean palace fight then what is the blue shimmering field during the first encounter with Lavos at the ocean palace? It has to make it right before the group first sees it.

Maybe the Queen had some hand in the creation of the PD? It seems sort of farfetched, considering she would have to be extremely powerful to be able to make a alternate dimension, but I'll throw it out there.

[Sentenal]

maybe it had something to do with the mamon machine, zeal, and lavos?

[GreenGannon]

Indeed. That would explain why--parts of--the Black Omen, the Mammon Machine, and Lavos are affected.

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