Magus + Dual Techs = ...

[magustrigger]

I have always wondered why the CT creators never gave Magus dual techs and now that I have discovered the magic of ROM hacking I was wondering if someone would come up with a patch that gives Magus a healthy supply of dual and triple techs that don't require extra equips.

I had a few ideas...
Magus + Crono
Twin Lightning = Lightning 2 + Lightning 2
Vortex Blade = Black Hole + Confuse
Judgment = Dark Matter + Luminaire

Magus + Crono + Frog
Vortex Strike = Black Hole + Confuse + Leap Slash

Magus + Crono + Robo
Triple Lightning = Lightning 2 + Lightning 2 + Shock

Magus + Crono + Lucca
Supreme Judgment = Dark Matter + Luminaire + Flare

Magus + Marle
Twin Ice = Ice 2 + Ice 2

Magus + Lucca
Twin Fire = Fire 2 + Fire 2

Magus + Marle + Frog
Deep Freeze = Ice 2 + Ice 2 + Water 2

Yeah they're not the most creative... and they might lower the difficulty more than it already is but... in conjunction with a hardtype patch or the coliseum patch it could lead to new endgame awesomeness?

[justin3009]

That would require mass space and I mean MASSIVE space for that stuff.  And we're not entirely sure how to give him double techs right now.  Sure we could probably create them but...don't think we could get them to load up in the list.

[magustrigger]

Aww, sad.

Well at least I wasn't the only one who thought of it...

Could you maybe... remove other character's dual techs to make room for his?

And if you're looking for graphics, just recolor the single techs that originate the tech.

...not that you wouldn't have thought of that.

I think it would be pretty sweet if you could play the whole game with just Crono and Magus and they had awesome dual techs and any time a character was supposed to join they'd just tag along but not fight and the fight against Magus might be a little weird looking since there'd be two of him but it wouldn't be so much for plot purposes as it would be to see how much cooler Chrono Trigger would've been if Magus were Crono's sidekick/crime-fighting partner...

[Mauron]

I think it will eventually be possible, but it would require moving large amounts of data due to space restrictions.

For your purposes it sounds like you just need to swap Magus's data with another character's... which in itself is a lot of work.

Tech modification is still limited. Right now we're still identifying parts of the data. At this point it isn't possible to change the element of an attack.

[magustrigger]

So if you can't even change the element of a tech then making one from scratch would be completely out of the question.

Perhaps Squenix will someday pull their head out of their ass and realize that a Chrono Trigger remake would be incredibly profitable see that they could add things such as Magus dual techs?  Oh wait, I forgot they made Kingdom Hearts and FFVII... *sigh*

[V_Translanka]

I like that Magus doesn't really have Dual Techs in the game though...It fits his personality...He's not really there to work together w/Crono & Co. he's just there for his revenge...

All that not-withstanding I think a hack including Magus Dual Techs would be friggin awesome! Can you say DARK FLARE? OMEGA LASERS? Yeah, they'd just be Omega Flare seperated into two Dual Techs, but still...friggin awesome...

Maybe Ice & Fire Scythe 1 & 2 Techs! HA!

[Mauron]

I like that Magus doesn't really have Dual Techs in the game though...It fits his personality...He's not really there to work together w/Crono & Co. he's just there for his revenge...

All that not-withstanding I think a hack including Magus Dual Techs would be friggin awesome! Can you say DARK FLARE? OMEGA LASERS? Yeah, they'd just be Omega Flare seperated into two Dual Techs, but still...friggin awesome...

Maybe Ice & Fire Scythe 1 & 2 Techs! HA!

I actually thought of some storyline ideas for giving Magus dual techs. There would be a sidequest where the party fights a boss that can't be beaten normally, but by combining his magic with a weapon that can pierce its skin, it would die in an awesome scene.

[magustrigger]

I guess logically speaking, any dual tech that has Crono, Marle, or Lucca using their Element 2 spells could be turned into a triple tech with Magus using the same Element 2 spell... but that would be rather repetitive if it happened for all combinations.

[Mauron]

Well, we do have better, but still limited, control over animations and sound.

If someone mapped the rest of where tech animation/sound begins and ends for each one, that much could be done to a reasonable extent.

[Zakyrus]

Judgment = Dark Matter + Luminaire

Ultima = Dark Matter + Luminaire