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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2005, 06:03:28 pm »
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Time Bastard Theorem
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Suppose an entity X exists on timeline Y.

If X time travels from time A to time B, such that B < A; for time > B, Y is sent into the DBT, and Y' is created, containing X'.

For time > A, two identical entities X and X' will exist in Y'.

Conservation of Energy requires that only one entity X or X' exist.

Therefore, X' will be expunged from Y' at time A, and sent into the DBT.


one theory violates physics, the other doesnt.  That should be enough to make the Time Bastard more accurate than the other.

Not necessarily. It's a video-game, magic violates physics too, and I don't think winged apes coexisted with dinosaurs during prehistory...

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2005, 10:32:24 pm »
your missing the point.  Winged ages existing with Dinosaurs does not violate physics.  And if your gonna say magic does, your gonna have to provide proof.

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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2005, 10:59:25 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2005, 05:33:15 pm »
time travel in itself violates physics

X, in year 2000, travels 500 years into the future to 2500. X's mass suddenly dissappears in 2000 when X time travels, and suddenly reappears in 2500 when X arrives. For 500 years there is -mass of X- less in the universe, thus time travel as it is in CT is physically impossible.

However, 'traveling' into the future is physically possible (but not instantly, as it is in CT), but going back in time is physically impossible (all the 'theorems' and such ARE NOT THEOREMS, they're postulates based on the idea of instantaneous (and backwards) time travel's being possible, or theories, but a theorem is something that can be, and is, prooved.

Also, the Time Bastard Theory is incorrect. "For time > A, two identical entities X and X' will exist in Y'."
Let's say X goes back in time to B, and kills his mother, who, at that time, hasn't given birth to X yet. In timeline Y', which is X's original timeline, but with the variations his existance in time B caused, X' doesn't exist, because X's Mother' was killed. Thus, X and X' are not always identical, and in some cases X' is even an absence of existance.

Now, i don't know when the games refer to Conservation of Energy besides relating to the end of time, so i don't think it has anything to do with the DBT.  Just as i explained later, with physical properties of mass/energy having no rule over the physics of CT, an extra amount of energy/mass is just as impossible as an absence of an amount of energy/mass, so either both cases can be ruled out as being impossible, or the physical property of energy/mass can be ignored completely in the game (but ignoring it in one case, then saying that the reasoning behind the other is it is even more faulty than ignoring it completely, which can be done since it is merely a video game)

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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2005, 05:40:23 pm »
Hah! Zeality, that's cute. I didn't realized you'd changed the "Entity" icon to Alfador. Such wit!

But as for this Time Bastard Theory so misguidedly hallowed in these halls, I'm long overdue to put that codswallop in its final resting place. I take now to my keyboard for to visit condemnation upon the idols of the pseudoscientific establishment and bring revolution to the sum of Chronopolean knowledge.

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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2005, 11:25:23 pm »
the physics shown in CT and CC show that not only does magic work it's physics, but also time travel.

And as for the Time Bastard theory, it works much better than any opposing theory, but i'll leave it to Zeality and GrayLensman to defent the specifics of it.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2005, 01:03:37 am »
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the physics shown in CT and CC show that not only does magic work it's physics, but also time travel.

And as for the Time Bastard theory, it works much better than any opposing theory, but i'll leave it to Zeality and GrayLensman to defent the specifics of it.


How does the theory in which two similar entities (X from timeline Y sent back in time to timeline Y' to meet X') work any less? Although it's not an 'official' theory that has been stated, that doesn't mean that you should go for the existing theory that makes the most sense if it doesn't make complete sense.

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2005, 06:50:41 am »
Pursuant to the discourse in this threat, I have written a criticism of the Time Bastard theory in the Time, Space, and Dimension section.

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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2005, 07:50:21 pm »
If the random cat(s) in 600 AD can not theoretically be Crono's, then does anyone else have an explaination for it?  Could these cats, as Lord J esq suggested, be a "vital component of the planet and of the space-time continuum?"  Or could it just be Squaresoft having a bit of fun?

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2005, 08:15:21 pm »
Crono's cats have nothing to do with Time Bastard.  If the cat enters the Time Gate as a result of Crono's actions (defeat Lavos), it cannot travel back in time (and time-error) to cause Crono to perform that action.  It is simply cause and effect.

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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2005, 02:30:34 pm »
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If the random cat(s) in 600 AD can not theoretically be Crono's, then does anyone else have an explaination for it?  Could these cats, as Lord J esq suggested, be a "vital component of the planet and of the space-time continuum?"  Or could it just be Squaresoft having a bit of fun?


I think that those cat are there for fun until proven otherwise, because if Crono's cat would have travelled back to help Crono and all it would do some Time loop (paradox?) and it cannot exist in CT