Moar Analysis

[Kodokami]

First of all, feel free to move this/change the title/whatever as necessary, as I am covering a handful of topics.

OK. After spending hours reading the Principles of Time and Dimensional Travel page and days contemplating, I have a few questions. Let's get right to it.

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Kid

1) For clarification, how many versions of Kid exist in Chrono Cross? From her birth in 1004 AD (KT-2) to 1020, that's 1. She then travels back in time to 1010 to save Serge and ... I'm lost. I presume she returns to 1020* of the new timeline in Another World, while a new Kid continues to live in Home World. We're now in Mid Dimension Timelines (I'll refer to this one as KT-3). The Kid of HW, according to Kato, is up on Zenan doing who knows what; probably being a pirate. Meanwhile, the Kid of AW is the same who saved Serge in 1010 and calls upon him in 1020 ... right? The story progresses until Masa and Mune send Serge to 1015 to save Kid (of AW only). When he returns, Serge is in KT-4 and a new Kid (the one he saved) now lives. That's 2 in AW and 1 in HW (in total, among KT-2 to KT-4). Activate Chrono Cross, shit happens. Am I getting this right?
*The Compendium states she traveled back in time sometime after 1015. I'm saying 1020 for ease of reference.

2) How did Kid travel to 1010 to save Serge? I do not believe Belthasar ever contacted her, because she does not recognize him at Viper Manor. So my only conclusion is that she used a Time Egg, the same in her possession when Masa and Mune saw her in 1020.

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Dimensional Split

1) Is the split between Another World and Home World a branching of the dimensions, starting at 1010; or is it a division of the dimensions throughout all time, with pre-1010 identical in both? I've found two Compendium theories that work on both.

The dimensions split at 1010 A.D. Does this mean that if two people travelled back in time from either dimensions after 1010 A.D., there'd be two of them in a single dimension?

Probably not. It is suggested that the dimensions are now complete, separate entities. Since dimensions are self-contained universes, Home World simply has the same history as Another up to 1010 A.D., after which it diverges. The Chrono series avoids paradoxes and probably would not create a case where the dimensional split literally happens at a branch on one worldline.

Another World always existed; it is the original dimension, but Home World only extends from 1010 AD onwards. In 1000 AD, Crono exists in Another World. If he travels through time, he can only reach a destination within his own dimension. When Crono defeats Lavos in 1999 AD, or any other time, the battle takes place in Another World.

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Sky Dragon Isle Error

1) Under the Time Crash Shift theory, both Chronopolis and Dinopolis work under the same proposed method of time travel (consult the link, I'm not going to explain it). If such were the case, then not only those who enter/leave Chronopolis would experience TTI and TB, but so will everyone who enters/leaves Sky Dragon Isle, as it is the same as Dinopolis. I haven't fully thought about it, but this could have serious repercussions to the timeline, right? I argue that the "time travel" used by Dinopolis (er, the Entity) is different than that of the Time Crash used by Chronopolis.

[utunnels]

I do not believe Belthasar ever contacted her, because she does not recognize him at Viper Manor.

Neither me. But you forgot a thing, CC's story happens before Kid do the time travel to save Serge (more logical, since she doesn't know Serge nor Belthasar).

Also, in my opinion, if a person does a time travel to the past and then returns, it sounds more acceptable he/she'll be in a timeline that he/she makes the change (for example, in CT, you give the ancestor of the Porre Mayor and get the sunstone). For example, if Kid saves Serge, she should return to the timeline that Serge has been saved. So more likely the home world Kid is the one who saves Serge.
 

I'm confused.

[Manly Man]

Pshaw. And you're supposed to represent the Guru of Reason.

[utunnels]

Yeah, commented out the lines because the analysis result didn't help the hypothesis ( CC's story happens before Kid do the time travel to save Serge).

Let me start it over based on Kodokami's topic:

I presume she returns to 1020* of the new timeline in Another World, while a new Kid continues to live in Home World.

If a person does a time travel to the past and then returns, it sounds more acceptable he/she'll be in a timeline that he/she makes the change. For example, in CT, you give the jerky to the ancestor of Porre Mayor and get the sunstone.

So, the Kid saves Serge returns to HW.

Then that leaves another question, Belthasar says 50% chance, could it mean if Kid fails the mission, that version will return to AW?

I do not believe Belthasar ever contacted her, because she does not recognize him at Viper Manor.

   Of course, Kid was not to
   know anything about this
   whole plan until later,
   when all this will finish.
   Further in the future, Kid
   is meant to travel back ten
   years in time from now to
   save Serge from drowning.
   And then, Kid was also
   meant to call Serge into the
   other world as he spoke with
   Leena here on Opassa Beach!

So that is why Kid doesn't know Serge or Belthasar. It doesn't make perfect sense, but at least it is in the original game script.

[Kodokami]

So ... the Kid from the Ideal Timeline travels back to Serge? Doesn't that create a paradox?

[Mr Bekkler]

"Is meant to..."

[Acacia Sgt]

Sky Dragon Isle Error

1) Under the Time Crash Shift theory, both Chronopolis and Dinopolis work under the same proposed method of time travel (consult the link, I'm not going to explain it). If such were the case, then not only those who enter/leave Chronopolis would experience TTI and TB, but so will everyone who enters/leaves Sky Dragon Isle, as it is the same as Dinopolis. I haven't fully thought about it, but this could have serious repercussions to the timeline, right? I argue that the "time travel" used by Dinopolis (er, the Entity) is different than that of the Time Crash used by Chronopolis.

I'd say the case for Dinopolis to be different than Chronopolis. It wasn't just sent through time but also experienced dimensional travel, and the reason was unrelated to the Time Crash incident itself. The way I see it, Dinopolis/SkyDragonIsle is now physically part of El Nido. Not to mention, it's impossible for it to be encased in a 'bubble' like Chronopolis as it has moved in a way we wouldn't be seeing it completely in it's Sky Dragon Isle form or true form. So yeah...

[Licawolf]

So ... the Kid from the Ideal Timeline travels back to Serge? Doesn't that create a paradox?

Wait, If Kid is still Kid by the time she travels back to serge, does that mean it's canon that she doesn't merge with Schala in the ideal Timeline?  i'm seriously confused by this whole "Kid traveling back in time" thing...

[Manly Man]

If the Kid that merges with Schala is the one from the certain period where Serge gives time-space a bandaid and kiss on its booboo, then the one who'd gone back to save him didn't merge, as she would have had Serge do hi thing to be able to merge with Schala. Therefore, the one you play with is absorbed back into Schala, while there's an extra one left, who would happen to be the Kid that still wanders around independently of Schala.

[Licawolf]

If the Kid that merges with Schala is the one from the certain period where Serge gives time-space a bandaid and kiss on its booboo, then the one who'd gone back to save him didn't merge, as she would have had Serge do hi thing to be able to merge with Schala. Therefore, the one you play with is absorbed back into Schala, while there's an extra one left, who would happen to be the Kid that still wanders around independently of Schala.

how could there be two Kids in the same timeline? isn't the Kid Serge saved Time bastarded after a while, leaving only one Kid(the original Time traveler)?

[Manly Man]

Well, think of it this way. The weapons you get in Chrono Trigger. They are attainable in the future, and if you take them from then and go back into the past, you can have the both of them. Age, whether or not they were modified by the pendant, makes them different, however slightly so. That Kid, the time-traveler, is just that, and as she saves Serge to set the events in motion that let the younger version of her become one with Schala, making another being entirely, and so there would be the Schala-Kid, and then there would be just Kid. Schala-Kid to Time Traveler Kid could therefore be compared to the idea of how the Suzaku is to the Onimaru, Suzaku being the one modified.

[Kodokami]

The past weapons in Chrono Trigger would be Time Bastard...ed, after a while though. Does that mean that eventually Kid will be Time Bastarded out of Schala, leaving just Schala and the time traveling Kid?

[Licawolf]

...or what If Schala was rescued from the Darkness beyond Time to merge with Kid, just to get Time Bastard(ed  ) along with her after some time, and sent back to the Darkness beyond time... well, that sucks a lot for Schala...

Guys, guys, I really want to understand this, this is for me the most confusing part of Cross: Okay, first there's only one timeline, Serge dies as a child in this timeline, Kid never meets him. One day, Belthasar contacts Kid (presumably a little older Kid than the one we meet in the game, but this Kid hasn't experienced the events of CC) and asks her to go to the past and save Serge. She does it, and while she's still in the past a second timeline is created. The timeline in which Kid never came back in time still exists and is now known as Another, right? does that mean that Time-Traveller-Kid is now stuck in the past of the new timeline, Home, unnable to come back to her own timeline's present? where(and when) is she when she calls for Serge at Opassa Beach at the start of the game? Is she able to come back to her own timeline and her own time?

TTI says that Time-traveler-Kid has priority over the Kid we meet in the game, right? But maybe Manly Man is right, and merging with Schala is going to protect the Kid we meet in the game from getting sent to the Darkness Beyond Time? Is that the true reason Kid NEEDS to be merged with Schala? to preserve her and protect her from the effects of TB?

Ah... but I'm not thinking about what happens when the Ideal timeline is created...

This is so confusing