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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2010, 09:08:21 pm »
It seems like you've adopted something akin to a much more sophisticated Springtime of Youth, with a very literal definition of the word "youth."

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2010, 09:15:39 pm »
I was merely gazing out my window, when an Elvis song "In the Ghetto" came to mind. Then I got to thinking about how Elvis (and his damn rock music) had been derided by the older generations of the day, even though Elvis had been a respectable, charming person who dutifully went to war when he was drafted.

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2010, 02:15:57 am »
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For the powerless, the disenfranchised, the superficial, and the willfully ignorant, it must feel a little bit like Hell. I think they think destruction is the only change that humans are really good at.
Hmm, reminds me of something that a priest of Torah said once, but I may have forgotten the exact wording.
"In this universe lies twin forces, the Yin and Yang. The forces itself resides in not only the mind of a living individual but also the world. The Yin is the creator (not necessarily GOD, mind you), while the Yang (Humans and other living beings) is the destroyer. The Yin, who is benign, gives. The Yang, who is the corrupter, takes. The Yin may be limitless, but he can only give some at a time, and if the Yang merely takes endlessly without a limit, it might consume and destroy itself."

What the priest was talking about was that we are the Yang while mother nature is the Yin. If you take into account of today's rapid consumption rate and waste disposal, then this theory makes sense.

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Science fiction has a large hand in driving actual scientific developments....
That is entirely possible, but programming of AIs are still in a primitive stage today.  :lol: Although there ARE some personal AI's you can find and train online. If you spend enough time with them they "almost" behave like a sentient human being. But unfortunately I don't have that much time.

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Where the end of A and the beginning of A' rhyme, the end of A' and the beginning of B' rhyme, and the end of B' and beginning of B rhyme. And so on.
:shock:.... I might have to try that out sometime...

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My research into this is rather slow going...
Right = Ra-eet?
Write = Ru-aah-eet? Wra-eet?

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The "themes" of a work, therefore, are not inherent to the work but rather different tools for examining the work.
Sometimes things what we see, read or hear aren't necessarily as we see them, because a person at the front of a hotel would see the door, but the person at the side of the hotel would see windows. That logic is philosophically applied in books, poetry or other sort not just as it is but also on metaphorical grounds.

Are you familiar with the lore of Rabi Loew, Prince of Dyfed or even the legend of Orpheus? In Rabi Loew's story, the statement "Creator creates a creation in his own image" is carried off various times, because the theory may not only apply to God, but also to mankind. Loew created a clay man (Golem) in the structure of man himself, and because of that, the Golem inherited his personalities. To me, it means that every creation embodies the creator in one way or another, be it his thoughts, his reflection/Shadow (metaphor), etc. It may even apply to the attributes a child inherits from his parents.

Similar things exists in Prince of Dyfed, especially when Hafgan encourages Pwyll to deal the finishing blow, where Pwyll hesitates to do so as warned by Arawn.  :lol: If you've read the lores then you'd know why he does so, and also the hidden meaning behind it.

Orpheus's legends' metaphors vary, especially, what our current culture states, "One would go through HELL to find his love".

Many such styles are actually used in William Blake's poetries.



Nice thread! I'm readin it more.

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2010, 05:58:45 pm »
I hearby propose that the role of a government can be divided into 9 levels. These define specific levels of involvement that a government may (or may not, depending on the individual's persuasion) be required to undertake.

Specific political persuasions can be assertained by an individuals agreeance with specific levels (mostly the latter 3 in modern discussion, but the first 6 saw more discussion in historical times). Particularly governmental positions could then have their own degree of concordance with this scale and that would provide a basic means of evaluating if a person disagrees (or agrees) with that position or rather its underlying assumptions about government.

This scale is highly unrefined, but I am excited to try it out sometime. I call it:

Thoughtslow's Hierarchy of Governmental Needs

1st Level - External Security: A government at this level protects its citizens from external threats (foreign governments).
2nd Level - Internal Security: A government at this level protects its citizens from internal threats (bandits, gangs)
3rd Level - Legal Security: A government at this level protects its citizens by passing laws governing basic clearly harmful behaviors (protects from "criminals")

4th Level - Commercial Uniformity:. A government at this level aids its citizens by enacting legislation that harmonization of the commercial activities undertaken by its citizens (establishes monetary system, standard weights and measures, etc)
5th Level - Commercial Prohibition: A government at this level aids its citizens by enacting legislation that prohibits certain commercial practices that are clearly harmful to individuals (establishes child labor laws, work environment standards, etc)
6th Level - Commercial Guidance: A government at this level aids its citizens by enacting legislation that guides commercial endeavors to produce goods of a basic quality that is conducive to the general welfare (food safety laws, truth in advertising, etc)

7th Level - Confirmation: A government at this level aids its citizens by ensuring that they have the most basic elements of survival (food, clothing, shelter)
8th Level - Conceptualization A government at this level aids its citizens by ensuring that they have the most basic elements of success (public education)
9th Level - Actualization: A government at this level aids its citizens by ensuring that they have all elements necessary for success (access to higher education regardless of finances, health insurance, job training, etc)

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2010, 12:13:10 am »
Write a book, Karl Marx.

I believe the universe is a hologram, as though we are in the matrix. I believe in reincarnation(most of the time I do), but I think karma was invented so that those who know reincarnation is true can screw over those who they got to believe in karmic consequence, so as to use these gullible people for their personal bitches, knowing that there are no consequences.

I think Hitler had UFO's, I also think that my life is much like the Truman Show, everyone but me knows something, whatever that may be, and the whole world was set up for my life. I'm sorry if that comes off as arrogant, but that's because I am.

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2010, 08:53:01 pm »
@ Thought:

I got only three hours of sleep last night and five the night before, so perhaps you can appreciate this: When I read your nine levels of government theory, I spent over a solid minute (count the seconds; that's a long time!) trying to figure out the analogy to Dante's Inferno that I knew was there.

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 11:43:43 pm »
After learning that Daily Kos diarist Angry Mouse, whose feminist writings I greatly appreciate, is "a bacon-loving, non-believing American Jew," I got to thinking about just how prominent non-Jewish "Jews" are as leaders and activists for progressivism. Most people know that Jews are overrepresented in practically every positive socioeconomic indicator, as well as in the more lucrative professions. The reasons for that are outside the scope of this post, but it still surprises me just how often I discover that someone successful or admirable comes from a Jewish background, even after accounting for the inevitable perspective bias whereby one tends to notice more often those factors for which one is biased to look.

My serious theory here is that nonreligious people who have a Jewish heritage are exposed to some common cultural elements which predispose them to become some of the most strongly progressive people alive. But what those elements are is still a matter of guesswork for me; I don't have a lot of meat to this theory, yet.

Obviously the issue is one of great interest to me. I'm not Jewish myself, and you'd have no idea that I have a Jewish heritage if I didn't talk about it here sometimes, yet I do have that heritage. I am also the most liberal progressive that I know, by many of the indicators that I myself use to score liberalism. Whether the preceding two sentences have a common root or not is still a question mark, but it's one I'm eager to explore. If there turns out to be a link, it could be a great boon to my efforts to develop a rigorous educational philosophy that shall slay Magus and restore honor.

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2011, 04:45:27 pm »
I have often pondered if governments should actively engage in improving its image in foreign countries. This is propaganda, yes, but specifically low-level propaganda directed at the world at large. The reason for my most recent consideration on this topic is the reaction in Pakistan to the United States. While it is quite understandable that the United States would be intensely disliked for conducting military operations in Pakistan (particularly since the government there hasn't publically said that they are approving these actions), the extent of the hatred seems to go beyond that. This then raises the question, how should American attempt to resolve this situation in a way that is beneficial to us?

I believe that the most practical solution is also beneficial to the people of Pakistan, but I am not sure if it is a solution that governments should take. I would propose that the U.S. Government should start providing specific benefits to the Pakistani people (not through their government), so that they may come to view us as a friend. For example, fund the building of schools and hospitals, provide scholarships for Pakistani youths to come to America to train with the understanding that they will actually return to Pakistan to improve that country. Sponsor educational programming, fund theater productions, etc. In short, attempt to be a supporter of the Pakistani people and to support their culture as well. However, should the U.S. Government (or any government) undertake public works projects in other nations like this?

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Re: Serious Theories
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2011, 09:37:35 pm »
The problem is, Thought, that our government feels it more necessary to fund their military directly. Sad. I believe their mentality tends to be, "make friends with the leadership and the people will follow". Unfortunately, it's never that simple. Nor is it necessarily true.