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« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2005, 07:50:56 pm »
From my taekwondo master, he says that women can be nearly as strong as men, thought their peak won't be as high as female peak. Why then are women notoriously weaker than men, in average? He says it's because, in the early stages of life, men are encouraged to engage in physically demanding activities (the male kid games) while women are not. Those years are very important in the future muscle development. There is a girl in our gymnasium whose father had her have high physical activity and she has as much strength as a man her age and height could have. And definitely a lot more strength than me (I have tasted her kicks...  :lol: )
Being more emotional... that comes with the upbringing. If we guys were allowed or encouraged to play with dolls when kids, we would be a lot more emotional. Even then, some of us can be as emotional as women, even without that upbringing.

About armors... yeah, mithril would be very expensive, but about rpg parties, we are not talking about armies, but a group of around 5 people, who are more like a commando: usually commandos have a lot more expensive equipment than regular soldiers.

Look:

He has no shield. Instead, the shield has been substituted by an armoured arm. I don't know how this is realistic, but it is standard in medieval fantasy scenarios. And it makes sense: if the arm armour is strong enough, you can use it to deflect enemy blows like you would use your shield, or your arm to deflect punches, while charging with that side. Then the Dart's slash would come with the other hand, while the enemy is trying to ready himself to another blow.

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« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2005, 07:59:28 pm »
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In real combat, fighting men aren't going to have any hesitation killing a naked or near-naked woman.

Precisely why I could never be a fighter. =P

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Zelda is a dignified princess who in the latest game finally gets to kick some canon ass

Huh?  Which game are you talking about? o_O

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I only hope they put some variation of GeoMod in the next Prime game so we can successfully put a number on her power, since aside from scaling character heights SSBM isn't to be believed for quantification.


Say what?  What's GeoMod?  And what do you mean about putting a number on her power?


1) I don't know that I could, either, but there aren't many women out there who'd honestly want to kill me.  On the other hand, I'd have no trouble drawing the blood of a male aggressor.  My sense of protection extends to my friends and family, not to people who are actively trying to hurt me.

2) The new OoT/realistic Zelda game for GC that was unveiled at E3 2004: Twilight Princess.  Hit me up on AIM and I'll give you every piece of media I have on it; the amount is quite considerable and includes no fewer than three trailers, an mp3 file, and several amazing pieces of artwork, one of which features our dignified princess with a badass sword.

3) By putting a number on her power I mean determining the energy output of her weaponry.  Even some melee weapons can be rated; a lightsaber has been clocked at ~100 MW.  It isn't an invincible weapon, it's just very powerful.  Normal sabers won't punch through the hulls of capital starships; only obscenely powerful ones will.  Apparently, the lightsaber has a computer inside that allows it to determine when and where to radiate energy; if it was emitting ~100 MW all the time then as soon as someone ignited it they'd be fried, which would lead someone to believe that it's like a plasma sword of sorts; breaking the magnetic field holding the blade in place would cause energy to be delivered into the target, such as is the case when cutting a blast door open.

jotabe: Who is that in the picture?

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« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2005, 08:01:40 pm »
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There is a girl in our gymnasium whose father had her have high physical activity and she has as much strength as a man her age and height could have. And definitely a lot more strength than me (I have tasted her kicks...  :lol: )

I'll testify to that...  I knew a girl in high school who was a powerlifter, and usually when people would go on the bench press, guys would serve as spotters for guys, and girls for girls.  This girl benched enough that a team of 3 girls couldn't serve as spotters for her!  So, she ended up using guys as spotters.  She can probably throw SEVERAL of me across the room...  (Of course I only weigh about 125 or so...)

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Being more emotional... that comes with the upbringing. If we guys were allowed or encouraged to play with dolls when kids, we would be a lot more emotional. Even then, some of us can be as emotional as women, even without that upbringing.

Again, I'll testify to that.  I didn't have that kind of upbringing, but I have ended up with a lot of emotional traits that typically go to women...  I like romantic comedy movies, I cry kinda easily, and around once a month I get severely pissed off for a few days. =P  And maybe it was 'cause I didn't do a lot of physical stuff as a kid...  I sat around playing videogames. :lol:  And not the really violent ones either...  I rented Street Fighter II once but as a kid, played Mortal Kombat for about 30 seconds and didn't care for it...  It was pretty much Mario and Sonic, that kind of game.  And look how I turned out. :lol:

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and several amazing pieces of artwork, one of which features our dignified princess with a badass sword.

I've seen a lot of the stuff, including the concept art of her with the sword...but does that mean she gets a chance to USE it?

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« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2005, 08:24:30 pm »
Well, today an old friend of mine dragged me around.  She's not very girly at all, possessing several of those 'fighter' traits.  I guess you could call me sort of girly, but the fact that I'm tactless as a rule and larger than most people cements me above zero on the manliness scale, meaning I can get away with almost whatever.  First we went to the shoestore; I guess I'm practicing for having an actual girlfriend.  Then she drove us over to Starbucks, where she stole a piece of my espresso brownie.  At first I told her she'd have to give me sexual favors, but then I downgraded that to a Mountain Dew.  Then she did it again, and I upgraded it to The Joiner King, the newest Star Wars novel.  She did actually buy me that, and she thinks Star Wars is dumb; we talked a lot about how we were both horrible people.  She admitted that I'm the only person that has never told her a lie, and that I'm hot, but she still doesn't want me to get into her pants.  She's picky and snobby sometimes, but at least we weren't at the shoestore forever, and I have a new Star Wars book! *squee*

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« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2005, 11:03:07 pm »
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He has no shield. Instead, the shield has been substituted by an armoured arm. I don't know how this is realistic, but it is standard in medieval fantasy scenarios. And it makes sense: if the arm armour is strong enough, you can use it to deflect enemy blows like you would use your shield, or your arm to deflect punches, while charging with that side. Then the Dart's slash would come with the other hand, while the enemy is trying to ready himself to another blow.


No, not really. Had it been useful, it would have been implemeneted. The problem is, you cannot drop it. A shield is extremely heavy, and those retreating, or at least in phalanx warfare, would drop them in their escape. Or, in the Iliad, could sling them over their shoulders to protect their back. Then there are other shield tactics, such as shield-walls and phalanxes, none of which could be implemented with armour such as that. Personally, there is little in the way of fantasy armour and weaponry that I like or, rather, I dislike anything that isn't actually functional. But as I said, if you want that sort of armour, Galvorn beats all... and no one knows about it! ... It's from Tolkien, in case you haven't guessed. Jet black, so hard arrows cannot pierce it yet bendable - forged from meteoric iron.

Furthermore, I forget who mentioned this, but there was mention of speaking of battle in a very small scale rather than on the field which I was speaking of. Well, the four on four RPG type battles would be extremely rare in real life, I think. Most great engagements make use of thousands of soldiers, sometimes a hundred thousand.

But anyway, I'll concede your point for the most part, one these grounds. If a woman tried, she could train to be stronger, tougher, and even mentally hardier than men. This, however, is assuming that the men do not do the same regiment. On an even ground of training, men by physical make-up have a stronger build... mostly. I'm extremely light and scrawny, but that is only because I don't excercise at all. As far as battle-heroes go, if one were to take the greatest of the men, and the greatest of the women, the man would win, it is just the way of things.

Actually, to be honest, I just find it a horrible cliche in games to have these 'expert' women fighters when, although they do exist, it is an anomaly, and should not be so prevalent. I was doing the very same thing for the female character in my story, ie. making her a good fighter, when it dawned on me: not only am I betraying the old literary traditions, I'm also not making any sense in doing this. And so for a very long time, though she carries a sword, she really has no chance, especially when she comes up against a soldier or someone that has greater strength. I'm just looking at things realistically. Like I said, I know that some women fight better: I'd wager there are lots of girls that are stronger than me at the moment - but I'm a writer and engineer right now, and have little need for strength - but that doesn't change the overall.

But truly, what does it matter? Women were not made for war-matters. Let women be women and men be men. Things are so much more beautiful when the distinctions and lines are not blurred.

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« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2005, 11:17:46 pm »
Yeah, but you have a sword.  And swords are 1337ROFL!1!1

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« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2005, 11:57:19 pm »
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Yeah, but you have a sword.  And swords are 1337ROFL!1!1


Ummm... have you seen me with it? No matter how I pose with it, I cannot make myself not look awkward, and triple that if I'm actually swinging it around. I tend to move my upper body too much, though I suppose that's why swordsmen practice.

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« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2005, 12:19:15 am »
Yeah, but fantasy stories, as i believe, even though they should have an exotic environment, should represent our social and moral values. If we try to represent social and moral values of the epochs the environment belongs to, we would be doing historical stories-games, not fantasy. Not only that, we would have to throw away all the magic stuff since it is not realistic (magic doesn't exist).

So, nowadays, our society promotes equality between man and women, so it is natural that both sexes appear in similar roles in fantasy stories. This is exactly what literary tradition has always done: using the current time mindset over a ficticious environment. Remember that many painters from the Renaissance, when painting Jesus' like scenes, they clothed people with Renaissance-fashion clothes.

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« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2005, 12:32:18 am »
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Yeah, but fantasy stories, as i believe, even though they should have an exotic environment, should represent our social and moral values. If we try to represent social and moral values of the epochs the environment belongs to, we would be doing historical stories-games, not fantasy. Not only that, we would have to throw away all the magic stuff since it is not realistic (magic doesn't exist).

So, nowadays, our society promotes equality between man and women, so it is natural that both sexes appear in similar roles in fantasy stories. This is exactly what literary tradition has always done: using the current time mindset over a ficticious environment. Remember that many painters from the Renaissance, when painting Jesus' like scenes, they clothed people with Renaissance-fashion clothes.


And King Arthur's knights in high-middle ages array. Good point, and I would agree. As I've said before, it's essentially myth and legend making and, so long as it follows that tradition, I'm fine with it.

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« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2005, 12:03:05 am »
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CuteLucca is working on a commission piece for me...  You guessed it... Schala. :o  Here's the first sketch:
http://www.cutelucca.com/wips/schalasketch1.jpg

I asked her to go for the "real" look like she did with her "real Lucca" picture...  After I got this first sketch though, she ended up starting over and it'll be like from the waist up, with Schala looking out over a balcony in Zeal or something...  I can't wait. :D


For those who might be interested, since I made that post earlier in this thread, here's the 2nd sketch that just came in less than an hour ago.  As I said above, this is around waist-up...  And CuteLucca says that's a dandelion in Schala's hand, in case you can't tell.

http://www.cutelucca.com/wips/schalasketch2.jpg

I'll post again when it's totally done. ^_^

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« Reply #70 on: July 28, 2005, 03:21:13 am »
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CuteLucca is working on a commission piece for me...  You guessed it... Schala. :o  Here's the first sketch:
http://www.cutelucca.com/wips/schalasketch1.jpg

I asked her to go for the "real" look like she did with her "real Lucca" picture...  After I got this first sketch though, she ended up starting over and it'll be like from the waist up, with Schala looking out over a balcony in Zeal or something...  I can't wait. :D


For those who might be interested, since I made that post earlier in this thread, here's the 2nd sketch that just came in less than an hour ago.  As I said above, this is around waist-up...  And CuteLucca says that's a dandelion in Schala's hand, in case you can't tell.

http://www.cutelucca.com/wips/schalasketch2.jpg

I'll post again when it's totally done. ^_^


That's just... awesome...  ~Is struck by awe~

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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2005, 08:11:04 pm »
Uh, swords themselves can be very defensive...If I recall correctly from LoD, which this character, Dart



comes from, he uses his sword to block when the opponent misses. This isn't even putting into effect the possibility that you could use your sheathe as a defensive implement.