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Zaperking

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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2005, 02:46:00 am »
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*cough*...... The Dragon Gods.... And supposedly the Mammon Machine....


You're right about the DG, but the Mammon Machine? Since when can that sinister device be considered a victim of anything?


The Mammon Machine was built out of goodness and a reasonable purpose. The machine is a victim. It was abused. It was the Zealian's error to unleash it to it's full potential.

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2005, 06:15:15 am »
The Mammon Machine is a... machine. It can't be the victim of anything.

The script can be found here:  http://cc.herograw.com/Black/Publications/ctscript.txt
I'll just post those 3 quotes because it would be too long else. Those are the most precise ones I think.
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Robo: Amazing...
   It houses all the DNA of every
   creature that ever lived...!


Frog: This be evil!

   Indeed! This thing possesseth the
   vitality of all living creatures...


   It hath harvested DNA from animals,
   only to further its own evolution!
   And whilst sleeping, to boot!

Ayla: This smell like Ayla's
   land!
   Reptites, Ptero, Nizbel.

   Ayla, and  [member1]!
   Smell like all people I know!!...

   Smell of all living things!!

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2005, 06:49:07 am »
It can and is a victim. Everyone may blame the Mammon Machine, but it is intern the creators fault. Just like Lucca always says how it's pathetic to blame machines, it's the creators fault for flaws, because of her history with them. This was like stated with Robo to. Marle was scared and thought he'd attack, so Lucca said that it's the people who make them, Robots would not be evil unless programmed, so she fixed Robo anyway.

This applies to the M. Machine. The Guru's built it out of intent to save Zeal. Queen Zeal still suffered from the death of her husband so she decided to make sure Zeal and it's citizens would be immortal, and lost her sanity to use Lavos' power to fufill that goal.

It is not the machines fault.. Yet again, it is a victim. Just like the Prometheus Circut. He's a victim to Lynx hands.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2005, 01:26:19 pm »
Nothing good can come from building a machine that steals energy from Lavos to defy the will of the Planet >_> Especially if it's powered by the Frozen Flame, like some people believe.

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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2005, 05:12:18 pm »
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The script can be found here:  http://cc.herograw.com/Black/Publications/ctscript.txt
I'll just post those 3 quotes because it would be too long else. Those are the most precise ones I think.
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Robo: Amazing...
   It houses all the DNA of every
   creature that ever lived...!


Frog: This be evil!

   Indeed! This thing possesseth the
   vitality of all living creatures...


   It hath harvested DNA from animals,
   only to further its own evolution!
   And whilst sleeping, to boot!

Ayla: This smell like Ayla's
   land!
   Reptites, Ptero, Nizbel.

   Ayla, and  [member1]!
   Smell like all people I know!!...

   Smell of all living things!!

Ah.  I see.  I was placing too much weight on Lucca's words, as the group I TYPICALLY take to kill him with is Crono, Lucca, Marle (though sometimes Magus, Lucca, Marle).  So I was missing on some of the script.  Lucca's words, just FYI:
Quote from: Lucca
Now I understand...

   It lives on a planet for as long as
   possible, stealing away the most vital
   resources...

   It combined the DNA it found here
   with its own, and gave birth to those
   creatures up on Death Peak.

   Eventually the young must migrate to
   other planets...to repeat the cycle...

So I was basing my argument according to JUST that, and not the rest.

Thanks for the correction.

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2005, 10:30:26 pm »
i think that lavos's shell was pretty much an alien space ship holding lavos the super intelligent being inside.

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2005, 07:44:32 am »
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The Guru's built it out of intent to save Zeal.


You can't know that. For all we know Q. Zeal forced them to make the Mammon Machine. And, whilst I believe that robots cannot be held responsible for their actions on some level...Since they have their own AI, they can be. But that's besides the point because, does the Mammon Machine function like a robot? Does it have AI?

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2005, 08:49:37 am »
It has no AI. It's simply how we use the machine that determins it's side, be it good or evil.

The only AI that it might have is the FF according to RD. And alot of things in RD are probably true, so it's most likely the FF was in the Mammon Machine. But even then, the FF only lets an arbiter connect itself to Lavos via itself. The FF for Lavos was probably a fail safe. He at that time didn't need a safety plan and destroyed Zeal because he woke up. In CC, it's purely about him having another chance so that's why the FF plays a greater part.

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2005, 01:09:31 pm »
This is actually something I've wondered about quite a bit myself. I've always been fascinated with the biology of strange creatures, and when I first discovered Chrono Trigger, I couldn't help but analyze Lavos. Here are my thoughts on Lavos's structure and function:

I think the entirety of Lavos is one living being, albeit a rather odd and complexly-arranged one. The outer shell certainly serves as a "spaceship" of sorts, in that it protects Lavos during its long journey through space and its eventual entry into a planet's atmosphere and crust, but it seems to be a natural extension of the body, given its decidedly organic appearance. The shell seems to be unchanged from generation to generation if the Lavos spawns are any indication... Which makes sense, given that it already is designed perfectly for it's function.

The shell is mostly a protective layer. Oddly enough, the shell seems to be much, much larger than Lavos's actual body, and filled with twisting tunnels and passages. I assume this is to give the necessary protection to the vital body inside. Given that Lavos spends millenia floating in space (during which small metorites and such would eventually take their toll, stripping away the shell little by little), and causes an extremely violent impact when reaching a host planet, the gigantic, multilayered shell might be necessary to keep the body from becoming exposed.

Perhaps the tunnels inside are utilized for drawing in energy from the surrounding planet somehow. Lavos is said to do this, and the tunnel that the party in CT walk through leads directly to the core. These tunnels would most likely also be used for birthing the Lavos spawn, as well as for firing the "destruction rains from the heavens" attack used to destroy the surface of the host planet.

The shell's "head" seems to serve some sensory function, seeing as it appears to have an eye, and reacts to various stimuli.

The core chamber holds Lavos's "second form", which would appear to be the majority of Lavos's actual "body", as it were. This chamber also has many vein or tube like structures, again implying that Lavos's body pulls in energy from the outside. Interestingly enough, in the pre-release, the inner "chamber" in which you fight Lavos's second form has a decidedly artificial, mechanical look to it, but in the final it is much more organic-looking, complete with glowing "veins" and such. Maybe the former is simply because the detail for the latter hadn't been drawn yet, but it is intriguing.

The "third form" is a more difficult to explain. Whereas the "second form" is clearly inside the "first", it is unclear whether the "third" is a structure that existed inside the "second", whether the "second" transforms into the "third", or whether the "third" materializes when the "second" is destroyed. Regardless, this is the form that seems to process the DNA taken from the host planet's lifeforms.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2005, 09:37:31 pm »
I had always thought that Lavos' destruction rains come from his shell only.

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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2005, 11:10:26 pm »
I've never seen him use DfH in the inner and core Lavos forms...

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2005, 02:32:14 am »
That's because he doesn't.