each time gate

[V_Translanka]

I was always under the impression that Lavos gated 1) Magus & Crono & Co. in Magus' Castle 2) The Gurus & Magus during the Ocean Palace disaster in the original timeline and 3) Melchior & Janus during the Ocean Palace disaster in the new timeline. Possibly more (perhaps the "gates" that transfered the Lavos Spawn)...

[Kazuki]

I forgot about the gating at Magus's castle. That gate to me seems to have the most evidence of being created by Lavos.

[Luminaire]

yeah, I agree with v dog on this one (can I call you that? no...? sorry.) It wouldn't be the entity who makes the gate at magus's castle, unless she KNEW Magus would fail in his attempt (did she or something?) so I would have to say that Lavos is responsible for the gate.

[SilentMartyr]

I was always under the impression that Lavos gated 1) Magus & Crono & Co. in Magus' Castle 2) The Gurus & Magus during the Ocean Palace disaster in the original timeline and 3) Melchior & Janus during the Ocean Palace disaster in the new timeline. Possibly more (perhaps the "gates" that transfered the Lavos Spawn)...

Well think about it this way, what would Lavos had gained from gating anyone?
1) In the orginal timeline Magus was most likely killed when he sumoned Lavos to his castle.
2) The gurus/Janus posed a gigantic threat to Lavos, with thier magical talents. gating them to other times won't really solve the problems.
3) Same explination as 2

I don't expect everyone to agree with the explination, but I take Robo's theory to heart, in full. Since the only power the Entity has is to alter time, and that Lavos has no forseeable gain for gating anyone it just makes sense to me that the Entity is the only source of the gates.

[V_Translanka]

1) Magus was fucking w/Lavos, so he was gated away...I don't think it's necessarily true that he was killed by Lavos.
2) Zeal was fucking w/Lavos, so all those people got gated to places where they wouldn't really do him any harm...Belthasar was gated to a time when he was already ruling, Gaspar was gated to the EoT, and Melchior was gated to a time of "peace".

Also, why would the Entity gate them? Not to mention HOW would the Entity gate them? The Entity was able to create points where gates could be opened, but it still needed the addition of the Pendant & the Telepod/Gate Key to actually open them.

[CatchRBFivy]

I think that all the gates were the entity's creation and that the times that lavos is around during a time disruption is not a gate but just a portal...and then entity, knowing that the Gurus were needed by the heros of time, saved them from being sent to wherever Lavos was sending the, (on purpose or not).  I also believe that Magus dies in Lavos timeline because it was one-on-one.  In the Crono timeline the entity has reason to interfere because it needs to safely gate the team somehwere, Magus was just saved because he was thrown in with the team.

[V_Translanka]

If the Entity could simply open up the gates, then why would the party need the Gate Key & the Pendant for? And doesn't that kind of go against the fact that they are like the Entity's memories? I mean, if you think that way, then that means that the Entity was opening gates all along whilst things were happening...

[SilentMartyr]

1) Magus was fucking w/Lavos, so he was gated away...I don't think it's necessarily true that he was killed by Lavos.
2) Zeal was fucking w/Lavos, so all those people got gated to places where they wouldn't really do him any harm...Belthasar was gated to a time when he was already ruling, Gaspar was gated to the EoT, and Melchior was gated to a time of "peace".

Also, why would the Entity gate them? Not to mention HOW would the Entity gate them? The Entity was able to create points where gates could be opened, but it still needed the addition of the Pendant & the Telepod/Gate Key to actually open them.

1) All Magus did was summon Lavos to his castle, and then got whooped. I wouldn't really consider those ground to be gated away for a later date. Unless you think Magus survived in the original timeline, which is highly unlikely.

2) But why did Lavos gate them? I don't see why preserving thier lives was any different than just killing them then and there in the ocean palace. It makes no sense for Lavos to go to the trouble of gating them away when if they were a threat Lavos could have just destroyed them.

The Entity created the Red gate without any assistance from a telepod or pendant.

If the Entity could simply open up the gates, then why would the party need the Gate Key & the Pendant for? And doesn't that kind of go against the fact that they are like the Entity's memories? I mean, if you think that way, then that means that the Entity was opening gates all along whilst things were happening...

You are clumping all the gates into one general form, when really they have different abilites. The black gates made were one time useage for unwilling gatees, the blue were semi permanent for mulitiple use, and the red was one time use for willing gatees. The group needed the gate key so that only they could go through the gates. If the gates just opened willy nilly for whoever was near them then alot of crap would happene that would make things bad. Real bad.

[V_Translanka]

The red gate isn't just open upon the beginning of the scene, Lucca still has to open it...

Lavos was 1) being drained of his energy via the Zealians 2) a lil drained after (or saving up for, I forget which occurs first) completely ufcking the Zeal continent and 3) isn't completely full of power as it is for it's eventual birth in 1999. Plus, I don't see any of the Gurus as being a threat to Lavos after they're gated...Belthasar goes insane, Gaspar really can't go anywhere, and Melchior...well, what's he gonna do in 1000AD?

You could also see Magus' Castle as being a partial accident I suppose...Plus, I think it's possible that Magus was gated in the original timeline, I don't think there's enough, exactly, stating that the gate was purely the fault of Crono & Co. All we get is Magus blaming them during the accident...and he's quick to blame anyone for anything really...I suppose I could also see this gate as being an Entity gate...but I don't see why the Entity would send Magus anywhere, much less why Magus would go somewhere different...I'm ready to blame it on an accident...

I'm also under the assumption that the Entity doesn't have very much power (being killed by Lavos can do that to a...thing...). I see the regular gates as being made pretty much all at once as a last, ditch effort and the red gate, which only lasts for a moment, shows how underpowered the Entity is at that point, I believe...Rather than making a complete gate, it simply makes a temporary one...

[Lord J Esq]

Let's not assume that Lavos, assuming it was responsible for any of the gates, was consciously controlling this process with some deliberate intent. This is a creature whose very nature seems to affect time like a magnet affects iron. It could be that Lavos' ability to distort and corrupt time is a symbol of its unnaturalness, and therefore its evilness is keeping with the intent of the game developers. None of this points to an intelligence orchestrating some plan.

Maybe Lavos had no intentions at all, maybe even had no mind at all, and that its base emanations where misinterpreted by people like Zeal who, under the influence of those emanations, projected her own personality onto them and perceived an identity where there was none.

I'm not saying that that's how it is, but it fits the spirit in which RPGs of the day were designed--where the penulatimate boss is a fallen human of great power, and the final boss is just Oblivion wearing a Groucho mask--and so I would say that, at least, we cannot assume that if Lavos did create the gates, this action was intentional, prior to assembling some proof.

Lavos has no dialoge, nor does the Lavos component of the Time Devourer. Lavos just has that animal scream, and a knack for messing you up with destruction from the heavens.