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Zaperking

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« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2006, 03:00:03 am »
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In response to the question of whether Zurvan was an entity of some sort or the actual Sea of Dreams, I've discovered a solution. In real life, Zurvan was a Persian god with control over Time, Space, Dreams, and Infinity. He had no gender, passions, or identity, since he was an embodiment of all others. (So he could essentially fill the role of CT's Entity, if you think about it.) He was the father of the Creator God Ahura Mazda and the Devil Anga Mainyu, both of which are the principle figures of Zoroastrianism.


Wow, Thank you for that.

I'd actually like to know what Zurvan is called in The Japanese version. That'd solve a lot of things. Though, Zurvan may be the entity, but I myself think that there are two entity's at play. The Physical Planet that should have died and started dreaming. And Zurvan who caused the dream. Since most people talk about the planet as if it's conscious, that kind of stuffs up the fact that the planet is dreaming.

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« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2006, 08:41:49 pm »
The possible association with Zoroastrianism is very intersting.  I've always though that if the planet has a consciousness, perhaps the whole universe has a consciousness as well.

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« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2006, 09:12:45 pm »
I feel special now :D Finally, being a nerd who researches religion as a hobby pays off.

Also, continuing the Zoroastrianism connection, could Lavos be perceived as an emanation/incarnation of Ahriman?

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« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2006, 03:03:20 am »
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I feel special now :D Finally, being a nerd who researches religion as a hobby pays off.

Also, continuing the Zoroastrianism connection, could Lavos be perceived as an emanation/incarnation of Ahriman?


Maybe to a lesser degree, aslong as you keep Zurvan in a higher position than the entity and Lavos itself.

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« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2006, 07:50:03 pm »
Well, he is. Zurvan was the father of Ahriman, the God of Evil, and Ahura Mazda the God of Good. The Entity could be Ahura, and Lavos could be Ahriman.

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« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2006, 11:03:24 pm »
I would not view Lavos as Ahriman... (I am Persian and know a hell of a lot about my ancestral culture).
Ahriman is a deity of pure evil and dischord.  Lavos on the other hand... while he may be the one who destroys humanity, he is not really a devil.  His intent is not truly known, and thus cannot be compared to a being whose sole purpose is to corrupt.
The entity is Ahura Mazda.  I agree with you there.  Ahura Mazda is not only the God of Good, but also God of Wisdom.  In the more modern version of Zorastrianism Ahura Mazda is also viewed as the one great and mighty God who rules all with eternal light and wisdom.  Ahriman is the spirit of malevolance who tries to spread chaos throughout this world.
Also Zorastrianism would make sense in a game where there is a powerful mage named Magus (the title of a Zorastrian priest) and his opponent is Cyrus.  (The king who defeated the Medes and the Magi to create the Persian Empire)

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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2006, 07:21:26 pm »
Well, Ahriman wouldn't be literal Ahriman, but he could be one of his incarnations. It has to have some attributes with Ahriman if it's capable enough to kill Ahura Mazda in the original timeline.

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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2006, 08:23:06 pm »
Yes an incarnation would work, because Ahriman's objective is to overthrow Ahura Mazda and spread his power across the world.  Lavos' actions result in overthrowing the Planet or Entity and thus dominate the world.