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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2005, 06:28:55 pm »
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and why would FATE need fighter jets? It's omniscient with it's supertechnological psuedo-clairovoyance.


The battle with Dinopolis... there's a picture of it towards the end of the game when you're talking with good ol' B-Saur.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2005, 06:39:16 pm »
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and why would FATE need fighter jets? It's omniscient with it's supertechnological psuedo-clairovoyance.


The battle with Dinopolis... there's a picture of it towards the end of the game when you're talking with good ol' B-Saur.

Didn't they were all destroyed or dismantled after the war though? I believe there are none left in Chronopolis when Serge visits the place (especially since he had to use the motor of Starsky's spaceship).

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2005, 09:05:09 pm »
Starsky was a popular character in Starsky and Hutch back in the 70s.

Starky is a tiny alien in Cross. >_>;

And yeah, I think that Chronopolis probably dismantled them and used the metal and parts for robots or something.

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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2005, 01:18:14 am »
Even if FATE tried its best to resist any change, I doubt that it would be possible for everything to be exactly the same. Maybe some fish was swimming in El Nido waters, noticed a strange landform that wasn't there the day before, so it decided to swim towards Zenan instead, so some fisherman got one more fish for dinner one night. With an extra fish the fisherman decides that he has enough fish that he can take the day off the next day, and builds a hut during the day. Then a storm comes later that year and one person that normally didn't get shelter survived in the fisherman's hut. Now, one person's life/death can obviously make huge differences (as apparent in CC).

It's possible that FATE could predict what fish originally came to El Nido and didn't swim to Zenan so that it could capture them and what fish originally came to El Nido and back to Zenan so that it could let them go free, but even then it would be highly unlikely that it could actually control the entire ocean surrounding El Nido to make it act as if there weren't an island, or that capturing fish that didn't go to Zenan originally wouldn't have an effect on other fish and consequently have a much larger effect.


If the game said anything about Dino/Chronopolis' existance not effecting the Chrono world until 900 or w/e, then I'd make the assumption that FATE could control the weather surrounding it and control the fish to make them swim as they normally would, but the game makes no such claim as far as I know. It's similar to the Belthasar thing; if the game never said that Belthasar planed out CC, no one would believe the faint possibilities that he did so.



Moreover, even if there weren't a different up until Porre colonized, Porre's military power would have an impact on Crono and co. If Crono and co. act differently, then they'll affect the past differently, so even after 65,000,000BC there'd be some difference.

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2005, 03:18:39 am »
FATE doesn't control the weather... FATE doesn't control anyone, but tries to influence the way people live.

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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2005, 05:37:20 am »
That depends on how you look at it though. Some could say the Records of FATE actually changed  the way a person does something to stop them doing something that would horridly change the future. Or you could say that the Records are nothing more than to guide the people (like in a subtle way, nothing to extravagant).

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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2005, 06:35:36 am »
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[Ghost]
   We control human emotions
   by using neurotransmitters.
   That means, by manipulating
   the nerve transmitters inside
   their brains, it's possible to
   control the feelings and even
   the personalities of humans.
   FATE uses the Records of Fate
   to connect directly to the
   brains of the humans with
   whom they come into contact.
   FATE not only imprints what
   actions the humans should
   take into their brains, but
   also rewrites their
   personalities and feelings.

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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2005, 06:48:27 am »
Two things:

1) Never played CC
2) I wasnt saying that FATE didnt control humans, I was just saying that that really came down to how a person would look at it. I changed my mind though after reading that quote!  :lol:  Ah, the technology of Chronopolis...

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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2005, 09:02:17 am »
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and why would FATE need fighter jets? It's omniscient with it's supertechnological psuedo-clairovoyance.


The battle with Dinopolis... there's a picture of it towards the end of the game when you're talking with good ol' B-Saur.

Didn't they were all destroyed or dismantled after the war though? I believe there are none left in Chronopolis when Serge visits the place (especially since he had to use the motor of Starsky's spaceship).


No, there are still some ships left in Chronopolis. Most of them being minature ones that you can fight. Or maybe they are the real ones that faught Dinopolis. I think Dinopolis' ships were Dractyls.



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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2005, 09:40:08 am »
@ Chrono'99
I'm pretty sure that even though FATE can tell them what they should do, it's still subconsious. Like the poet in Arni said that she wanted to go to Zenan but then all of a sudden felt the urge not to.

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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2005, 02:34:11 pm »
FATE had the power to create landmasses, so she probably had the ability to control weather to some degree even if only by creating landmasses in a such a way that it neutralized the affect that El Nido had on the weather. Either way, I don't actually believed that she did.

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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2005, 04:30:26 pm »
In fact, I doubt FATE herself created El-Nido. The workers in the Chronopolis used their tech to create a bunch of islands where they could live in peace with the Dragonian survivors and seal down the Dragon Gods easily. They then leaved and lived in El-Nido, allowing FATE to manipulate their memories and actions for the good of all.

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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2005, 07:14:30 pm »
Really? Well, still, FATE could probably access the same technology that the workers used. It seems strange, though, the FATE would allow the workers to just create a giant landform... I guess doing so would let them get out of FATE's way, so it could've let them do it..

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2005, 04:38:36 am »
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In fact, I doubt FATE herself created El-Nido. The workers in the Chronopolis used their tech to create a bunch of islands where they could live in peace with the Dragonian survivors and seal down the Dragon Gods easily. They then leaved and lived in El-Nido, allowing FATE to manipulate their memories and actions for the good of all.


I dont think they allowed FATE to get into their minds. Its more of the fact that FATE did it without the humans knowing. So if the humans ever found out they were being used...wow... :twisted:

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2005, 06:31:44 pm »
Not so much being used, but more like being opressed secretly in a bordering-on-communist shadow government.