Elemental Power Usage

[jthomp1286]

I just came across something in Zeal that I'd forgotten about. In Kajar, a local told me about combining the Sun Stone and the Rainbow Shell, but he said only the Guru of Life had that skill and that Elemental power usage was forbidden. What do you suppose this means and why? Something to do with Lavos being their new power source perhaps?

[Zaperking]

Obviousally.
Rainbow Shell plus Sunstone = SunSpecs.

[Sentenal]

Prior to the Mamon Machine, Element Magic, similar to what Crono and co use, was used in Zeal.  They used the power of the Sun Stone for their magic, rather than the Mamon Machine.  Mamon Machine came about, they started using Lavos Magic.

[jthomp1286]

Obviousally.
Rainbow Shell plus Sunstone = SunSpecs.

I know, but that's not what I was referring to.

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I guess I just figured Magic and Element Magic would have been two seperate things.

[SilentMartyr]

They are, kind of. It matters what you refer to when you say magic.

[GrayLensman]

According to what Spekkio says, Magis is the manipulation of the four fundamental forces (magical elements) governing the universe.  Of course, there are different ways to go about this.  Some living things (Crono, Heckran, Lavos, etc) can somehow directly control the elements with their bodies.  The Enlightened Ones in Zeal were given magical powers by the eminations of the Mammon Machine and possibly the Sun Stone.  Robots lack the magical ability of living things, but they can produce similar effects through mechanical means.

[Mystik3eb]

I see the magic system to be similar (only similar, not exact) to Wheel of Time. *shrug*

[GrayLensman]

I see the magic system to be similar (only similar, not exact) to Wheel of Time. *shrug*

Yes, I agree that there are similarities between the two systems.

[evirus]

Obviousally.
Rainbow Shell plus Sunstone = SunSpecs.

I know, but that's not what I was referring to.

--

I guess I just figured Magic and Element Magic would have been two seperate things.

i have always thought that elements as a weapon was more useful because nearly everyone can use them, unlike the people in Chrono Trigger and their magic which requires bodily energy(MP) as opposed to the one shot per battle nature of elements. having hundreds of soldiers with elements vs a few soldiers with magic should, if my thoughts are correct, be a vary one sided battle with the elements winning. leading to the fall of guardia and the ultimate loss of magic users.

and just to keep people from argueing agenst the obvious, Chrono Cross clearly shows that elements are actual phisical things that can be touched(source: child stealing kids element grid)

[SilentMartyr]

Obviousally.
Rainbow Shell plus Sunstone = SunSpecs.

I know, but that's not what I was referring to.

--

I guess I just figured Magic and Element Magic would have been two seperate things.

i have always thought that elements as a weapon was more useful because nearly everyone can use them, unlike the people in Chrono Trigger and their magic which requires bodily energy(MP) as opposed to the one shot per battle nature of elements. having hundreds of soldiers with elements vs a few soldiers with magic should, if my thoughts are correct, be a vary one sided battle with the elements winning. leading to the fall of guardia and the ultimate loss of magic users.

and just to keep people from argueing agenst the obvious, Chrono Cross clearly shows that elements are actual phisical things that can be touched(source: child stealing kids element grid)

Except magic is generally considered to be stronger than elements. So it wouldn't be as lopsided as you may believe.

[evirus]

Obviousally.
Rainbow Shell plus Sunstone = SunSpecs.

I know, but that's not what I was referring to.

--

I guess I just figured Magic and Element Magic would have been two seperate things.

i have always thought that elements as a weapon was more useful because nearly everyone can use them, unlike the people in Chrono Trigger and their magic which requires bodily energy(MP) as opposed to the one shot per battle nature of elements. having hundreds of soldiers with elements vs a few soldiers with magic should, if my thoughts are correct, be a vary one sided battle with the elements winning. leading to the fall of guardia and the ultimate loss of magic users.

and just to keep people from argueing agenst the obvious, Chrono Cross clearly shows that elements are actual phisical things that can be touched(source: child stealing kids element grid)

Except magic is generally considered to be stronger than elements. So it wouldn't be as lopsided as you may believe.

is there any real point of comparison? like dialog or in game moments that point to this?

[cupn00dles]

Obviousally.
Rainbow Shell plus Sunstone = SunSpecs.

I know, but that's not what I was referring to.

--

I guess I just figured Magic and Element Magic would have been two seperate things.

i have always thought that elements as a weapon was more useful because nearly everyone can use them, unlike the people in Chrono Trigger and their magic which requires bodily energy(MP) as opposed to the one shot per battle nature of elements. having hundreds of soldiers with elements vs a few soldiers with magic should, if my thoughts are correct, be a vary one sided battle with the elements winning. leading to the fall of guardia and the ultimate loss of magic users.

and just to keep people from argueing agenst the obvious, Chrono Cross clearly shows that elements are actual phisical things that can be touched(source: child stealing kids element grid)

Except magic is generally considered to be stronger than elements. So it wouldn't be as lopsided as you may believe.

is there any real point of comparison? like dialog or in game moments that point to this?

Not if I remember. And Lynx's ForeverZero in the very least seems to pwn any ever shown magic XD