Mid-Dimension Time Bastard Problem

[ZeaLitY]

Our current definition of the timelines in between Keystone T-1 and the Ideal Timeline go like this:

-In the beginning, Chronopolis creates Keystone T-2 by being moved to 7600 A.D.
-Another World (A) - Timeline(s) created by Belthasar's trip back to the modern
era to observe Project Kid and make adjustments with the Neo-Epoch.
-Another World (B) - Timeline created by Kid's possible introduction in 1004
A.D.
-Kid saves Serge after 1020 A.D. in Another World (B), causing the dimensional
split and creation of Home World (A).
-Serge travels to Another World from Home World (A) in 1020 A.D., rewriting
Kid's history and creating Another World (C).
-Serge travels back to 1015 A.D. to free Kid's mind from the orphanage
incident, creating Another World (D).

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At first, I thought this neatly tied up Kid's history. If she traveled back in time, it was probably with the help of Belthasar or fore knowledge about Project Kid; however, if this rewrote history so that Serge met her before she traveled back in time, then she'd still be a normal person without having met Belthasar or anything that could give her foreknowledge of Project Kid.

However, wouldn't Time Bastard kick in regardless in Another World at the moment of her original departure to save Serge in 1010 A.D.? The problem is deeper, however. What alarms me is the problem of dimensions here. If Kid caused a dimension to split off, would she end up in Another or Home after her actions were said and done in 1010 A.D.? I want to say she'd be left standing in Home World, since that was created as the result of her actions. However, if she tried to return to the future, she'd go to the future of Home World unless she could somehow use the Astral Amulet or other tricks of Belthasar to get back to Another.

In any case, either no Kid or a Kid with knowledge of time traveling would return to Another World to journey with Serge.

Now, the solution to this is simple. As stated on Opassa Beach, Kid's time traveling actually took place later than the current point in time Serge journeyed to the DBT and killed the Time Devourer (for instance, if he talked to Lucca on Opassa before killing the T/D on April 15, then perhaps Kid went back on April 16 or a later date).

Still, what happens to the Kids? Can the Unification of the Dimensions or the Chrono Cross rewrite actions of time travel? What are the implications for Time Bastard?

I can smell bad replies coming a mile away, so please engage in this discussion only if you're damn sure you know what I'm talking about. Leebot and GrayLensman, I'd love to hear what you have to say on this. I'll clarify my situation further if needed. I am freezing work on http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kid until this is resolved.

[Zaperking]

Hmm.. Wait.

Wouldn't there be a constant look if Kid always had to go back in time? I think it's fixed, so that Kid does not need to go back in time again. If she went back in time, then she'd affect the future where she was from. By not going back, everything should be normal. Right?

Anyway, as for Kid in 1010AD. I think she'd be in both worlds. I kind of think that Serge was saved by Kid placing the pendant on him at the time when he died, which rewrote back time, but something happened and he actually saw himself die and that caused the problem which caused the dimensions to split.
I mean, really, it wouldn't make sence if in one world Serge really died. The only way that could have happened is if Serge was killed, but Kid found him and placed the pendant on him, causing him to come back from the immidiate past or whatever, and since Serge would have been dead when he appears, that may have caused it. But then again, maybe Kid had some kind of time travel device, so when she saved him, she instanly teleported herself back into the future... but of what timeline? what dimension? etc. You'd think that if Kid was held trapped in 1010AD, she'd live up to 1015AD and kill Lynx before he hurts Lucca etc. But then we have Belthasar. To provent such things, Belthasar must have still been in control of Kid's actions somehow.

[GrayLensman]

I don't think the dimensional split occurred exactly when Kid rescued Serge from downing.  In this case, how could Serge be dead in Another World at all?  When the dimensions split, Kid would be duplicated, so Serge would have been rescued in both worlds.  After the split, Kid must not have interfered in Another World whatsoever, but this would make the past time-lines of the divergent dimensions different.

Rather, I think the dimensional split occurred the instant Kid travelled back in time.  Kid was not duplicated; she warped to the Home Dimension only.  Serge living or dying was not the immediate cause of the split, but rather the most notable effect of Kid's interference.

After Kid did her thing in 1010 AD Home World, she would have presumably warped back to the future.  Where Kid would end up depends on the method of travel she used.  The Neo-Epoch or similar mechanisms of time travel would presumably sent her to 1020 AD in Home World.  However, I think that since Belthasar predicted the dimensional split, he would have provided the means for Kid to return to 1020 AD in Another World.  It is also possible that by travelling into the past and then into the future, Kid would eventually end up in Another World.

Zeality's time-line in graphical form:




If we consider Time Bastard to apply, the playable version of Kid would disappear at the point the future version of Kid time travelled to 1010 AD, some point after 1020 AD.  This is one reason why I think Kid was actually a dimensional projection of Schala, like Harle.  Kid was only projected onto the time-line, so Time Bastard would not apply.  After Serge freed Schala, Kid would not have existed, but her experiences would remain part of Schala.

Regardless, I wouldn't worry about the presumed effects of Time Bastard on Kid after the conclusion of Chrono Cross.

[ZeaLitY]

Okay, that works well. Having them split at the direct moment of Serge's salvation would be troublesome, I'll agree.

One more question: should we retire the current graph at http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Mid-Dimension_Timelines and instate the new one?

Now I can finish the Kid entry. Today, I knocked out 20 Chrono Cross player character entries totaling 7,000 words of original content. I tell you, hard work is the great equalizer!

[GrayLensman]

I think the diagrams are complimentary.

[evirus]

i thought it was the orignal schala, merged with lovas but still in control that provided the means to save serge, and sometime after that schala's clone, kid, lived on "immune" to the events of the diminsional split due to the fact that she was created after the split occured, of course this would imply that kid is younger then serge as the split would resualt in two clones.... but then again there is the possability that kid dies for one reason or another in home world

[AuraTwilight]

i thought it was the orignal schala, merged with lovas but still in control that provided the means to save serge, and sometime after that schala's clone, kid, lived on "immune" to the events of the diminsional split due to the fact that she was created after the split occured, of course this would imply that kid is younger then serge as the split would resualt in two clones.... but then again there is the possability that kid dies for one reason or another in home world

OW!

[evirus]

i thought it was the orignal schala, merged with lovas but still in control that provided the means to save serge, and sometime after that schala's clone, kid, lived on "immune" to the events of the diminsional split due to the fact that she was created after the split occured, of course this would imply that kid is younger then serge as the split would resualt in two clones.... but then again there is the possability that kid dies for one reason or another in home world

OW!

um..... OW?