The Xbox 360 Thread

[Radical_Dreamer]

zthe comment about the teen market is not true, and that of Nintendo having won the older gamers. Nintendo are a great company, and they have a large slice of the market, but the twenty years plus market is really where Sony and Microsoft have the floor. Teen gamers dont want to have Nintendo because it is too 'kiddy' (unless they are of the fairer sex, I assume), mostly because they are trying to prove thier masculinity. It's just the way it works with testosterone. Violence, bloodshed and especially sex draw these people in like moths to a flame.

I think you misread my post. I agree that the teen market will primarily be divided between MS and Sony, mostly for the asinine "kiddie" reasoning you've acknowledged. Also, when I said older, I meant 30+, not 20+, although Nintendo will I believe win a solid chunk of the 20+ market this round because we 20-odd year olds grew up with the NES and SNES and want another shot at that golden age gaming.

BZ's poll supports a Nintendo victory:

Total percentages:
Nintendo Revolution: 6502 votes - 84.21%
Sony PlayStation 3: 3738 votes - 48.41%
Microsoft Xbox 360: 3575 votes - 46.30%

Even if it is the indirect win, the second console for most of the buyers, if this poll is of any accuracy, it's still going to have nearly double the sales of it's next competitor. If anything, this poll supports my premise that the reason that the main fight will be between MS and Sony is because Nintendo already has won a large share. MS and Sony will be battling hard, but since the Revolution is the de facto system, they'll be battling for second place.

Understand, that if everyone wants a Revolution for a second system, and are torn on whether to get a PS3 or a 360 as their "primary", it's already not the primary system, because if it were the primary system, it would be a forgone conclusion.

[Burning Zeppelin]

I, nor the poll, ever stated the Revolution as a 'secondary' console. Just because its name is second...I want a Revolution as much as a 360! Sure, many of the people will get a Revolution when it has lowered in price (crazy. I know) but the same applies to the 360 and PS3.
Nintendo doesn't only appeal to kids, as I went to a 20 year old "cool guys" house and he had a gamecube and we were playing SSBM, SMKDD!! and Mario Party...4(?) and we had heap of fun! I wanted to play RE4 but we couldn't cause it was 1P and because we had a little kid there(jk, we swore around him all the time!)

[Tonjevic]

Not to be ehm..... I dont have the right word for it... Anyway.

I dont hink that pole really reflects the mainstream market. I consider most people here to have good taste, be intellignet, and weigh between the pros and cons of each system.

The mainstream do not necessarily do that. MS and Sony are targeting the lowest common denominater: the 'dumb' people, the biggest chunk of the market they can find. I think one may find that alot of the people here who participate in intelligent discussion would be above that slice.

Then again, maybe I am completely on the wrong track and you are all mainstream consumers, the type of which advertising and slogans get to.

I dunno.

I'm tired too...

*yawn*

Goodnight people.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Woah, you must be tired. You making spelling mistakes!? Anyway...
You can't say they are looking for the dumb sector. Microsoft is looking for the casual sector, with the customizable features. Sony is looking for the rich and in a way tech savvy sector. Sony GenY, MS GenX. Funnily enough, MS used to be the geeky one (Arx Fatalis? Bauldars Gate?), and Sony the cool one (Eye Toy and Singstar). Actuall Sony still cool (you pay later!) as they have EyeDentify, but it is still mainly for the rich. Oh, and the dumb people. Not dumb, just sheepish (I mean people that follow). So many people that I asked at my school said these words when I asked them why they were getting a PS3: "It's cool", "good games"(followed by me asking them which ones that didn't have a counterpart on 360 with them all becoming silent, except for this nerdy guy called Tasneem who always said Warhawk! Lair!), "I love Sony" or "shut the fuck up rafi, you are stinking up the place...I dunno". But MS are really trying to target Japan. Their partnering up with Sega, From, Namco, AQ, Cavia, MistWalker, Rare, CapCom, Konami and the rest are really for one sole reason, to leak into Japans cracked society. Too bad they will fail. Sony's plan on the other hand is to release enough PS3's so the ground beneath all the homes in the world break and therefore let the Anti Christ come. The internet told me so.
Plus, MS sold 3million 360s. Pretty good...
But see, here is the thing, Sony and Microsoft are openly stating they are targetting the casual gaming sector as well as the hardcore (Sony is targetting the casual sector but when the price comes up, it switches to the elite sector. MS has lost the hardcore sector). Nintendo are saying Grannys and kids. Hate to break it to you, the majority of gamers is 25+. Only (majorly) the 40+ will be like "oh yes! now I can play Kid Icarus again!"
I dunno. All I can say is I HEART 360 REVOLUTION!

[Radical_Dreamer]

I am not the mainstream. I fully admit that. I'm a developer, so my opinion doesn't reflect that of the general consumer.

BZ, you make me feel old. I'm 21, and my first system was an NES, when I was a kid. 40+? Pfft...

I also disagree. Nintendo is pushing strongest for the casual market. Followed by Microsoft (Live Arcade) and then Sony. Sony is likely to charge more for their system by a good deal, and not have many smaller, indie games available. Casual gamers don't sit down and play 40 hour RPGS. They play 5 minute puzzle games when they've got some time to kill. Revolution and 360 are going to destroy the PS3 in the casual market.

[Tonjevic]

Rafi, Rafi, Rafi....
Dont believe a thing Tasneem says.
He is an arse fanboy who doesnt actually know what he is talking about most of the time. His sole reasons for buying the PS3 is that it has shiney graphics, and that he has a PS2.

Nintendo is the ONLY one pushing for the younger market also.
Name some major games for the PS3 or 360 that are PPG or G.
I dont hink you can. In that respect, Nintendo is again, a great company. They strive to make games FUN, not technically powerful, violent, or 'cool'.
If power is required to allow the game to run, so be it. But when it comes right down to it, Nintendo are all about this idea of innovation and fun.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Nintendo and 360 are aiming in different ways. I will like you to bear witness that I no longer consider Revolution as a side dish. It will be awesome.
Oh, and Anton...
360: PGR3. Kameo. Tetris: Grandmaster Ace. Every Party. Wik:Fable of Souls. Most likely Blue Dragon. Sonic...etc.
PS3: Sonic...  ...

But apart from major innovators and warlords like Nintendo (obviously), Sega and a helluva lot of indie comps, it is going to be reduced to 9182489 player tennis!! and rub the clitoris! by our friends at Mystique.

[Tonjevic]

... I was wrong... Although I dont think that Kameo is aimed at younger gamers, nor do I think PGR3 is, or even Wik. Tetris, no, Sonic, marginally so.

While these games may be PG or G, they arent aimed at the younger gamer. You know why? Because of the difficulty. I dont know any ten year olds who played PGR or PGR2, nor do they, or have they ever, played tetris, because it requires a larger attention span than thier developmental growth has yes allowed. Jak and Daxter wasnt aimed at below a teen level. an in the same way, this generation of adventure games wont be.

I dont believe that MS or Sony are aiming for the younger market.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Oh, and Mario 64 isn't hard ass (later on)? What about Finding Nemo, a game clearly aimed at the young. Its hard as a lot of carbon. A lot. I see so many little kids playing PGR. Kameo isn't that difficult. In fact in a lot of areas it tells you what to do too much. And so on...

[Burning Zeppelin]

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And it will be really cool coz it will totally recreate the live experience, with quaters and swearing at your opponents. Sweet!

[SilentMartyr]

Wow that is really impressive. Man if that takes off and works they way it says it does then I have to go back to the drawing board for which console to get.  

[Burning Zeppelin]

Yeah, MS is going a great path with its whole regeneration of the indie/retro market. It is probably trying to appeal to the japanese market, and mainly trying to attract biggies like Atari, Capcom and Taito. Ninty on the other hand is trying to regenerate its OWN, great classics. But doesn't this happen when a company is losing their innovation or *gasp* dying? I pray to thee! Please, please keep Ninty- Nintendo alive!

[SilentMartyr]

Umm....we have no idea if third party games will be downloadable. For all we know they will be sold at the same prices as Nintendo's games. E3 will answer those questions, I almost am sure.

[Radical_Dreamer]

Umm....we have no idea if third party games will be downloadable. For all we know they will be sold at the same prices as Nintendo's games. E3 will answer those questions, I almost am sure.

If that is the case, particularly if Capcom, Konami, and S-E chime in their support, the Big N becomes the Giant N. I'll ignore the comment on MS being the company aiming to help the retro scene, although I do agree that they are probably the most indie friendly at the moment, and that that is unlikely to change this generation. Revolution will be good for smaller developers, but that's still small by professional dev studio standards, not indie. Sony? Hope you have some deeeeeeeeep pockets.

[Burning Zeppelin]

But wait! First of all making a game on Revo, which would no doubt be exclusive (unless you do a Sega and make two different Sonics for the Revo and the 360/PS3) and cut costs from releasing it onto other consoles. And of course making two different games would be expensive too. Plus I heard that Nintendo have high licensing fees (whatever THAT means)
Yeah, I know. I missed out on RE4, DMC3 and Onimusha 3. But hopefully when I get a new PC I will play them and enjoy them...a lot.