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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2005, 08:03:19 pm »
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Remember, Lynx/FATE died at the same moment, too.

I don't remember this :?


Well, how do you think Kid saved Serge? Wauki/Lynx/FATE was trying to drown him. You think Kid could've just pulled him out without any resistance?

She obviously killed him, it's the only option.

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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2005, 08:30:24 pm »
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Remember, Lynx/FATE died at the same moment, too.

I don't remember this :?


Well, how do you think Kid saved Serge? Wauki/Lynx/FATE was trying to drown him. You think Kid could've just pulled him out without any resistance?

She obviously killed him, it's the only option.

Home Lynx dealed with Porre (meeting Norris for instance) in both worlds and brought the Acacian Dragoons to the Dead Sea in Home World some time after 1,010 AD, so he couldn't have been killed during the dimensional split.

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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2005, 03:17:10 pm »
then why do we never see Home's Lynx?

In fact, how can he even exist, Lynx is FATE. With the Dead Sea there, for all intents and purposes, chronopolis and FATE don't exist in Home.

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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2005, 04:17:26 pm »
I'll chose not to answer those questions and just repeat myself:
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Home Lynx dealed with Porre (meeting Norris for instance) in both worlds and brought the Acacian Dragoons to the Dead Sea in Home World some time after 1,010 AD, so he couldn't have been killed during the dimensional split.

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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2005, 06:25:36 pm »
Lynx isn't really FATE itself, he's a copy of FATE who thinks the exact same way as FATE and acts as FATE would. He never follows FATE's orders, he works on his own will. It just so happans that FATE has the same will.

Therefore, Lynx can exist without FATE and FATE can exist without Lynx (Obviously). When FATE disappeared and the Dead Sea formed, Lynx was desperate to get his hands on the FF, so Serge coulden't get it. He either disappeared into the Dead Sea, or he somehow hid in another part of the FF's PD (The sunset and the broken Nadia Bell). Maybe he was the one who activated the destruction mechanism, because FATE had so little power in HW. She could only monitor it, and she could hardly bind Miguel to the DS. Lynx, being phyisiclly there, could activate some hidden mechanism.

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2005, 09:54:22 pm »
Right. Because there's a hidden self destructive button in the frozen apocalypse. Why do villains DO that? It could be FATE bound Miguel the way she did by making him a part of the Dead Sea, and killing him caused the Dead Sea to fall apart on it's own.

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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2005, 03:13:44 am »
No, Miguel states FATE decided to destroy the Dead Sea and now she carries out the decision. And being that Lynx, too, is FATE it could also mean Lynx, who's an extension of FATE, decided to destroy it.

Besides, there's no switch, but there are the FATE islands. He could activate them, and they would go boom just like we saw.

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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2006, 01:26:47 am »
This depends on whether Serge's body was found and buried on Cape Howl or not. If there was a corpse, then the dimensions split during or after his saving. If there was no evidence, then the dimensions split the moment Kid went back in time, and somehow Serge simply wasn't part of Another World.

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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2006, 11:11:40 pm »
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This depends on whether Serge's body was found and buried on Cape Howl or not. If there was a corpse, then the dimensions split during or after his saving. If there was no evidence, then the dimensions split the moment Kid went back in time, and somehow Serge simply wasn't part of Another World.


I doubt we'll ever know whether he truly existed in Another World or not, unless anybody with a decent Japanese translation can somehow dig something up about a corpse (no pun intended). Either 1) Serge's body was actually located and buried on Cape Howl, or 2) the townspeople in their engraving on his tombstone ("What comes from the sea / must return to the sea") hinted that his body must have drifted away with the tide.

I would think his complete non-existance in Another World would pose a problem, though, since how could FATE possibly figure there would be a living Serge crossing the dimensions if there was no tangible evidence that Serge even survived the encounter with Lynx in the other dimension? Unless Another FATE can view Home World's Records (which wouldn't be completely out of the question, since we know FATE can see into La Trésor Interdit, for example), there would be no assurance that Serge wasn't just tossed into the DBT as a casualty of the rift, never mind his status as the Arbiter.

Then again, perhaps FATE (through Lynx and his influence on the Acacia Dragoons) planned for the impossible as a "just-in-case" measure, sending Karsh, Solt, and Peppor on what seemed like a wild goose-chase for the ghost of a boy whose body may or may not have been buried on Cape Howl. Or, the most unlikely of alternatives, FATE could be a cross-dimensional program with complete awareness, which doesn't even begin to explain why its power is so limited in the Home World.

Also, whether Lynx or FATE made the final decision to destroy the Dead Sea is, basically, irrelevant. They're of the same mind anyway. For all we know, it could have been an automatic defense mechanism triggered upon either Miguel's death or as a precautionary step in case the Dead Sea's Frozen Flame was in danger of being discovered. In either case, it triggered the Angelus Errare in the Sea of Eden allowing Serge to travel to Chronopolis, which FATE, had it been active in Home World, would have certainly prevented.

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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2006, 11:37:03 pm »
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This depends on whether Serge's body was found and buried on Cape Howl or not. If there was a corpse, then the dimensions split during or after his saving. If there was no evidence, then the dimensions split the moment Kid went back in time, and somehow Serge simply wasn't part of Another World.


That doesn't make any sense.  If there were no physical evidence of Serge's past existence in Another World, how would anyone know that he died?  Regardless of when the dimensions split, in Home World a live Serge existed, and in Another World, a dead Serge existed.

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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2006, 04:09:46 am »
Well, My theory on his death was that Kid went back in time, after Lynx had killed him. And Kid put her pendant on him, causing his past self to be sent into the future, and hence the dimension split because he was already dead before the pendant could activate.

As for the Dead Sea's destruction, I believe that FATE in Another did the deed. The destruction came from the islands, and since there is a dimensional destortion there, FATE could have triggered the destortions by trying to pull the Dead Sea into them or something. I don't think Lynx did anything. He'd be frozen like the rest. And Harle's fate is not certain, if she can traverse dimensions too.

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2006, 05:52:36 am »
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At the time when Serge was saved, he was only a small 7 years old, but the
memory at that time remains. Sometimes images of the beach that pops up, is
the event that stays and burn in the depths of Serge's heart, the event ten
years ago.

{A image of the FMV of Kid on the beach}
Looks like a movie that doesn't tell much. But in fact, it hides a very
important meaning to the story.


................................................................
 Analysis
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That movie, shown after the Kid has been stabbed in Fort Dragonia,
immediately before Serge enters the Temporal Vortex, bears some interesting
meaning. First of all, you see Kid on the beach. That should actually signify
Kid saving Serge ten years ago. Secondly, you see a first-person perspective
of someone falling very deep into the ocean. That should actually signify the
drowning of Serge that very same time, in the other world. The movies, placed
side by side at each other indicates that Serge was able to 'see' the both of
him in the two worlds at the most crucial moment in his life.
There might be
more meanings to it. But it's an interesting subtlety, nevertheless.