Belthasar's 2300 A.D.

[ZeaLitY]

Discussion of this topic will now resume. I really can't think of any answers to this particular problem, other than that Belthasar had even more foresight and somehow made preparations for Project Kid even while in Zeal. This is borderline stupid, but it's a last resort.

The page is located at: http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Time_Research_Lab_%28Transferral_to_2300_A.D.%29

[evirus]

Discussion of this topic will now resume. I really can't think of any answers to this particular problem, other than that Belthasar had even more foresight and somehow made preparations for Project Kid even while in Zeal. This is borderline stupid, but it's a last resort.

The page is located at: http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Time_Research_Lab_%28Transferral_to_2300_A.D.%29

going form memory which is a few months old i must admit, wasnt project kid's main goal to save schala from lovas? or at least find her? if so prehaps project kid was at first was belthasar's plan to destroy lovas, but after the future was changed by crono belthasar's main goal shifted from the destruction of lovas to the rescue of kid, which both involve a similar key element, time travel

as far as the idea you stated above about things other then belthasar being pulled into a gate i refer to lucca's explination of the gates

It's a kind of portal, that takes you
to the same location in a different
era.

Gates are very unstable, so I used
the principal behind my Telepod
device...

...to create a «Gate Key.»
Now we can use them as we please

prehaps the "gates" created by lovas act as weak black holes in the fact that they can be in one of two states feeding(sucking stuff in) and sleeping(no suction) the gates lovas created would be the feeding kind of gate that sucks up its surroundings but prehaps the force isnt enough to pull up everything just the lighter things, books, papers, humans, and so on

in regards to the lab coming out of no where prehaps the person was speaking in generalities, prehaps what he ment was that the lab was built in a vary quick amount of time.

thoughts? comments?

[Zaperking]

Could the Time lab simply mean that the whole concept, design and such a research popped out of know where? Belthasar arriving in the new 2300AD would have realised that Lavos was defeated prior and realised about Schala.

If he was to start work on a time lab, then one could say that the whole concept and idea of doing such a thing "popped out of nowhere".

[evirus]

Could the Time lab simply mean that the whole concept, design and such a research popped out of know where? Belthasar arriving in the new 2300AD would have realised that Lavos was defeated prior and realised about Schala.

If he was to start work on a time lab, then one could say that the whole concept and idea of doing such a thing "popped out of nowhere".

thats pretty much what i was trying to say

[DBoruta]

So does that mean that because Belthasar was foreign to the time period, he watched the changes happen in real time?

In other words, the moment Crono and Co. defeated Lavos, Belthasar and his entire lab was transferred from the Post-apocolyptic 2300 AD to the Sans-apocolyptic 2300 AD, thus 'appearing out of nowhere' to those that were subject to change through the normal flow of time? (I suppose from Belthasar's point of view, everything outside just all of a sudden turned green and he had a few visitors wondering where the heck he came from)

Well, if we take the quote in its most literal sense, then that has some really big implications on the effects of time travel.  If what was said by the Chief was literally true (instead of a figure of speech, which is another possibility), this would be taking Time Error and possibly some parts the Flow Principle to an extreme.  If it were only Belthasar, something along these lines could appear a little more likely.  This is not the case, since an entire lab comes with him.  Under any established principle that the Compendium has discussed or theorized, this is at best an extreme application of Time Error and the Flow Principle.  I'm not even sure, however, if these principles could even be applied here.

[ZeaLitY]

I see what you mean. Invoking structures with Time Bastard creates problems. The basic principle behind Time Bastard is that

Atoms A of composition A' travel to 400 A.D. at 9:00 AM.

Composition A' or other events influence time so that composition A' has no reason to travel back in time.

Conservation of time and matter dictate that two composition A's cannot exist; the Atoms A disappear to the Darkness Beyond Time at 9:00 AM regardless of what composition A' is doing.

It's one thing to have people disappearing akin to Melchior and Janus in the new 12000 B.C., and another to have buildings disappearing entirely.

[Darth Mongoose]

Hang on, I just remembered that at one point in the game, the Epoch 'follows' the gang through time to find them. Maybe the guru was sent to the future just as he was, but was then followed by his prototype Epoch?
...Of course, even with that being the case it doesn't explain his lab coming through as well...unless it was a time and space traveling lab, which would be a rather silly theory. 0_o'

[ZeaLitY]

Yeah, I guess that all depends on the capacity of the Epoch. Perhaps the time travel mechanism was already completed; it was just a matter of making the helm controls for the party or something. I will note it now in the entry.

[Zaperking]

I see what you mean. Invoking structures with Time Bastard creates problems. The basic principle behind Time Bastard is that

Atoms A of composition A' travel to 400 A.D. at 9:00 AM.

Composition A' or other events influence time so that composition A' has no reason to travel back in time.

Conservation of time and matter dictate that two composition A's cannot exist; the Atoms A disappear to the Darkness Beyond Time at 9:00 AM regardless of what composition A' is doing.

It's one thing to have people disappearing akin to Melchior and Janus in the new 12000 B.C., and another to have buildings disappearing entirely.

Does time bastard still hold up after all this time? What about the dimensional split. Well, literally speaking, it should be a time split. The timeline was split into 2. Both beings from either home or another can be in the same world at the same time. So I don't get it.

[evirus]

Hang on, I just remembered that at one point in the game, the Epoch 'follows' the gang through time to find them. Maybe the guru was sent to the future just as he was, but was then followed by his prototype Epoch?
...Of course, even with that being the case it doesn't explain his lab coming through as well...unless it was a time and space traveling lab, which would be a rather silly theory. 0_o'

actualy the epoch is in fact a time mechine, prehaps he pulled the materals for his lab out from other era's? depending on how the epoch works maybe it is possable to attach the epoch to a building and shift that into the future

[Sentenal]

I would like to know just what this Time Lab is.  I Chrono Trigger, we just see Belthasar taking up work in Keepers dome.  Other than the Sealed Doors, there isn't much Zealian architecture that you would expect to find in a Zealian made structure.  I think that the Chief was just using it as a figure of speech, myself.

[Mystik3eb]

The Epoch didn't go through time to find them, it was already in that same time period. I have no doubt it actually never moved on it's own, but that it simply was cast to it's final position by the changing of the land forms during the fall of Zeal. I mean it's in the same general location anyway, right?