Lavos, The Entity, and The Pocket Dimension

[idioticidioms]

Well, if you take the garbage out of your house and dump it in the garbage can, then isn't that technically the point that garbage 'enters' the can?

[utunnels]

The Darkness Beyond Time is the final wastebasket for timelines nullified by time travel.

Hmm, the nature of DBT is quite confusing. Think about it, if it contains duplicate timelines created by time travel, there must already be some Lavos there.

If so, Lavos doesn't have to enter DBT through a gate like Schala (and vise versa).
 And what's more funny, if it was already killed, how could it crawl into a gate?

[idioticidioms]

Well, I believe the theory to be that, once defeated, Lavos doesn't 'crawl' into a gate. Instead, its consciousness is automatically entered into DBT, much like its awareness of multiple epochs of time in CT, except that its awareness extends to multiple Dimensions of a DBT.

[Zaulche]

So, if Lavos just being killed does not get him to the DBT then some of the things he did that otherwise make less sense become more sensible. In order to ensure he ends up in the DBT he has to do something (or multiple things) significant enough that entire time lines have to be discarded in order to eliminate him.

That seems to me to lend credit to the theory that he at least somewhat knew what he was doing.

[utunnels]

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Darkness_Beyond_Time.html
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Time_Bastard.html

Well, if we assume the theories in DBT and TB page are true, then if someone does a Time Travel, the original timeline will be DBT'd.

Or did I misunderstand?

At the Millennial Fair Crono warps 400 years into the past. His presence in 600 AD creates a new timeline, and the original is sent to the Darkness Beyond Time. In the new timeline, a new version of Crono will exist, but the original version of Crono in 600 AD is not affected because he has time traveller immunity.

The Darkness Beyond Time is the final wastebasket for timelines nullified by time travel.

[Thought]

Didn't the Pocket Dimension theory get tossed? If I am recalling correctly, the main evidence for it wasn't that Lavos is at the same power level whenever he was faced (since there isn't a significant passing of time between these instances) but rather that one can face the shell in one period, defeat it, then go back in time and not need to face it again (with the exception being during the Ocean Palace Incident). Given that it requires the party intentionally behave irrationally and that the Pocket Dimension theory doesn't even address all instances of its own evidence, it seemed like it had been rejected.

Anywho, that aside...

Lavos couldn't have wanted to be sent to the DBT because it would then be a threat to its own species (if it was able to become the TD) or it wouldn't have been assured it could become the TD (if it was able to send Schala there intentionally, and it wanted to become the TD, why not also send itself there?)

The Entity's role in the game is presented as very passive. The most active part it does is share its memories with the party: there is no indication that it wants them to destroy Lavos (it might not have thought about it). Rather, given the themes of the game, it seems most likely that the party themselves were the ones to take the initiative, not the Entity. Therefore, it seems unlikely that the entity would have even thought there was a need to protect the party.

Yes, but the theory can not be disproven, which makes it possible. There are a lot of contradicting points, but none concrete enough to discard the theory.

If it can't be disproven, then it really isn't a theory to begin with but rather fanfiction.

Well, if we assume the theories in DBT and TB page are true, then if someone does a Time Travel, the original timeline will be DBT'd.

Or did I misunderstand?

Nope, that's correct. If TB is correct, Lavos doesn't even need to have himself killed to gain access to the DBT. Though, becoming a TD, he would also be threatening his own non-TD existence, since the two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Xenterex]

The Entity's role in the game is presented as very passive. The most active part it does is share its memories with the party: there is no indication that it wants them to destroy Lavo

And at that part of the game, the characters are talking about how you see your life flash before your eyes.  Another aspect one could take in all this is that Crono and Co are seeing the last moments of the Entity because it is dying because of Lavos.  It's 'passive role'  might actually just be reflexes as it dies, and despite the journey through CT, they can't enough to prevent the Entity from dying.

Obviously that's not the case as CC happens as a direct of the Entity being more active, but I think it was an interesting thought path.