Conceptual Framework of the Nature of Time

[Sentenal]

Going into my second year at Kennesaw State University here in Georgia.

[Hadriel]

I just graduated high school with the International Baccalaureate diploma, which is basically the first year of college taken in high school.  It consists of all honors-level courses (including electives) for which there exist a battery of collegiate-level tests at the end of the senior year, as well as an epistemology course, a 4000 word extended essay, another 1200 word essay, and 150 hours of community service.  For obtaining it, I get 24 credit hours going in, so I'm technically going into my second year of college even though I've never attended classes at a college level.  Even without that, I have credit from AP Calculus and three separate English credits.  I'm going to be attending Texas Christian University in the fall, and double majoring in mathematics and physics.

[Sir Frog]

Awesome.  I would have done IB...had my school offered the program.  Instead, I just graduated in the 11th grade and went off to university.  Same deal, I suppose.

[Sentenal]

They offered IB at my high school, but I didn't take advantage of it.  I'm so smart.

[jotabe1789]

Physics PhD Student   Condensed matter.

[Lord J Esq]

What kind of elitism is it that you admire, though?  I'd say intellectual elitism would qualify, but what about moral elitism?

Fair enough. Agreed.

These past few posts have made me curious:  How old is everyone here and what is everyone's educational background?

I'm 22 (for the next six days). I'm an astronautical engineer wannabe, UW undergrad.

[Luminaire85]

I'm a junior in chemistry and chemical engineering at the U of MN.

[Beer Pope]

ABSTRACT:  The events of the Chrono series occur in a six-dimensional continuum (a multiverse) of two temporal and four spatial dimensions.  An event, p, in the multiverse can be represented using the 6-tuple (D;x,y,z,t,T), where x,y,z,t are standard spacetime coordinates, T is the hypertime coordinate, and D is the dimensional coordinate. (More to come.)

Could you define all six dimensions using analogous terms?  Unless you're using wound spatial dimensions, there should only be three spatial dimensions, right?

Oh, I see what you did.  That's a confusion of terms right there. You seem to be forgetting...

tem·po·ral1   Audio pronunciation of "temporal" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (tmpr-l, tmprl)
adj.

   1. Of, relating to, or limited by time: a temporal dimension; temporal and spatial boundaries.

[Sir Frog]

Could you define all six dimensions using analogous terms? Unless you're using wound spatial dimensions, there should only be three spatial dimensions, right?

In fact, no.  In the Chrono series, for a given time, t, on a given timeline, T, we require four additional coordinates to identify the space on which an event, p, occurs.  After all, [Chrono Cross spoilers] a version of Serge dies and lives at the same point in time (t = 1010, T = arbitrary).  These differing events occur simultaneously, yet they are separated along a fourth spatial axis, D.  One only has to look at the FMV that occurs when Serge uses the Astral Amulet at Opassa Beach to see an example of a body travelling along D.

(Note:  Because Serge is able to travel to Another World, thereby changing it, and then return to an unchanged Home World, it would be incorrect to say that Serge merely jumps timelines when he warps.  This point is crucial but it is, admittedly, not fully developed in this parenthetical remark.  I will expand upon it in the near future if necessary.)

[Beer Pope]

I quite agree with the necessity for further degrees of seperation than ones present in the perceived universe we live in. I was just thrown off by the way you organized time with longitude, latitude, and altitude.

[Daniel Krispin]

Well, I should think that there is at least d(x,y,z) and t(a,b,c) (to pick arbitary variables for time. a would commonly be t, though. X is is forward along the primary direction of a given coordiate system, y is perpendicular to this, and z is perpendicular to both of these. Likewise the three temporal positions.

The difficulty this would cause, though, is in rate of change. Take, say b, and name it T. This would be the left-right movement in the temporal dimensions, and would essentially be a change in what we would call 'dimensions' or timelines. Try deriving d with respect to T! Wouldn't that be wacky? You would have the rate of dimensional shift of a given point. Sounds like something that Belthesar would like...

Actually, come to think of it, our normal time is the same sort of thing, we just do not notice it. We are constantly jumping between temporal 'points'.

However, when dealing with time travel, or any sort of travel, a better way of putting things is spherical coordiates. This would give the orientation and displacement away from the original.

[jotabe1789]

Just a brief comment about what Krispin said ^_^ In normal space, we are forced to go "ahead" in the time coordinate, while we are relatively free to choose our direction in the spacial coordinates.
But, inside the event horizon of a black hole, the situation changes completely: while we are relatively free to chose our movement in the angular (using spherical coordinates ) and temporal coordinates, in the radial coordinate (that is, in the line that connects us to the center of the black hole) we are confined to go "ahead", that is, to the center of the black hole.
For purely geometrical reasons ^_^

So, we are allowed to go back in time inside a black hole... but we cannot get out of it.

[ZeaLitY]

Since Sir Frog has gone the way of warmgun and flown the coop, we can still somewhat work on his system for nailing points in time. How about this:

(x,y,z,t,T,B,D) (and possibly other spatial dimensions irrelevant to human perception)

x, y, and z would be the usual three dimensions. t would be a measure of time based on the Founding of Guardia axis. T would be a measure of relation of Time Error, while B would measure personal time since an entity's first instance of time travel. D would be for dimension.

(35, 60, 380, 10:32 AM April 1st 1002 A.D., CT+3 (3 years after Chrono Trigger happened from End of TIme's perspective), 3, 1)

Could imply Crono is by a door in Truce at a certain time in 1002 A.D. 3 years after he first started time traveling and after CT happened (a sort of time axis for Time Error calculations) in the Keystone Dimension (which would be an arbitrary number assignment). This would mean Crono actually traveled back one year from 1003 A.D. since it has been 3 years since he first time traveled in 1000 A.D.

At any rate, I don't see how we could ever use this by itself to accomplish anything. Sir Frog will have to return.