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Vera's top-secret identity
« on: April 27, 2011, 06:23:05 am »
Okay, this is weird, and we probably didn't thing about this before. but before we get started, I must say I couldn't find a previous "Vera" thread, so if there is one, please merge this with that if it's convenient that way.

It's summer, and I can't sleep well in the heat. Somehow the idea just came to me, shocking me out of my sleep. Here's some points:

1) Vera appears as an old hag when the RD meet them; she heals Serge and dissolves into the shadows. Magil somehow recognizes her and doesn't meet her eyes.

2) Vera appears again at the end, this time with Porrean police but at the nick of time. It's as if she waited for Kid to remember her past life, and then seized the opportunity to grab the Frozen Flame. Magil and Kid escape, leaving Serge behind. Apparently Vera was someone formidable.

Which brings to mind that Magil, a former Zealian, Fiendlord and the slaughterer of millions, was afraid to face this old woman and didn't want to endanger Kid. This woman must be quite formidable. We initially assumed that she may have been Marle, or perhaps one of Dalton's successors, but there is a third potential candidate available. I don't have any evidence to support my theories, as this is simply based on wild assumptions, but...

...Vera could actually be Queen Zeal.

Don't laugh. Here's a couple of things I pondered about:

1) Queen Zeal may have been defeated in the Black Omen, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's dead. She used the very same battle armor as Norstein Bekkler, which could also have been mere puppets or shadows.

2) She went senile thanks to the demise of KZ and close proximity to the Mammon Machine. Yes, the Frozen Flame turns everyone insane (even Lynx). When you think about it, she may not have been such an abusive parent to begin with. Perhaps a loving, caring one at that, but now craved immortality.

3) If QZ snapped out of her insanity, she could have managed to find both Janus and Schala at 1020 AD in the guise of Vera. Of course, she still cared about them and thus acted like a guardian in the shadows, but her eyes were still on immortality. She maturely waited till Kid was forced to break the Time Egg and recognize herself. Once their quest was done, she grabbed hold of the Frozen Flame.

So... whadya think?

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2011, 08:31:07 am »
Speculative for sure, but possible!

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2011, 12:30:10 pm »
I think Vera is too sane to be Queen Zeal... but maybe being away of Lavos power helped her recover her sanity. If we assume Dalton is with Porre in RD, maybe is not too far-fetched to think Queen Zeal may be around too, but I don't see her taking orders from Dalton....though if she recovered her sanity enough to care for her children, maybe she's just taking orders from Dalton in order to protect Kid and Magil.

Mmmh... I think I like this idea better than the Marle theory.

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2011, 12:55:17 pm »
This is a neat theory. Can't see why not, except: How did the queen arrive at that time period? Though with her magic I'm should she would find a way.

Also, the first official mentioning of Dalton being involved in Porre came from CTDS, 12 years after Radical Dreamers. The way I see it, Kato added in that detail to appease the fans, and so it's not likely Dalton's involvement was thought of during development. However, this may be one of those moments where "letting it slide" would actually benefit the theory. Dalton and Queen Zeal controlling Porre...

...now I'm just rambling.

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2011, 01:07:40 pm »
This is a neat theory. Can't see why not, except: How did the queen arrive at that time period? Though with her magic I'm should she would find a way.

Also, the first official mentioning of Dalton being involved in Porre came from CTDS, 12 years after Radical Dreamers. The way I see it, Kato added in that detail to appease the fans, and so it's not likely Dalton's involvement was thought of during development. However, this may be one of those moments where "letting it slide" would actually benefit the theory. Dalton and Queen Zeal controlling Porre...

...now I'm just rambling.

Yes, of course, that was added with CT DS, I'm not suggesting Kato had that planned since RD. But he retconned the story of CT and told us that the reason Porre became such a powerful militaristic power was because of Dalton, I think with that you can assume he's retconning RD story too, since the idea of a militaristic Porre was originally from RD.

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2011, 07:45:19 pm »
Yes, of course, that was added with CT DS, I'm not suggesting Kato had that planned since RD. But he retconned the story of CT and told us that the reason Porre became such a powerful militaristic power was because of Dalton, I think with that you can assume he's retconning RD story too, since the idea of a militaristic Porre was originally from RD.

Nah, I doubt he's retconning RD. At least with how CC places it happening in a different dimension. After all, considering the major differences and the nature of multiple dimensions, not applying in one may not mean it's invalid for the other I guess...

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 07:55:31 pm »
Well there you go. In Chrono Cross Porre was led by Dalton, in Radical Dreamers it was led by Queen Zeal!

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 02:44:28 am »
Yes, of course, that was added with CT DS, I'm not suggesting Kato had that planned since RD. But he retconned the story of CT and told us that the reason Porre became such a powerful militaristic power was because of Dalton, I think with that you can assume he's retconning RD story too, since the idea of a militaristic Porre was originally from RD.

Nah, I doubt he's retconning RD. At least with how CC places it happening in a different dimension. After all, considering the major differences and the nature of multiple dimensions, not applying in one may not mean it's invalid for the other I guess...


Placing it in a different dimension definitely qualifies as retconning, considering during RD it never states you're in a "different" dimension. You're just in the one you're in.

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 02:56:39 am »
Well there you go. In Chrono Cross Porre was led by Dalton, in Radical Dreamers it was led by Queen Zeal!

That sounds neat.

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Which brings to mind that Magil, a former Zealian, Fiendlord and the slaughterer of millions, was afraid to face this old woman and didn't want to endanger Kid.
Hmm, but where did you get the idea?

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2011, 09:41:17 am »

Placing it in a different dimension definitely qualifies as retconning, considering during RD it never states you're in a "different" dimension. You're just in the one you're in.


I guess it depends on how you see it.

Did we changed following the story to a different dimension that had a different outcome for CC? Or we changed to a different dimension for RD then came back to the one we followed originally with CC? Either way, it's not like the events of either game are discontinuity, so I guess in the end it doesn't matter.

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 01:56:43 pm »
Vera always gave me a 'queen Zeal vibe' so to speak. It always bothered me how Magil seemed to know her but didn't cross her either and what would cause that I wonder :D

Alternate dimension Queen Zeal ruling Porre instead of Dalton blows my mind, and Guardia would still fall, even if she's saner i'm sure she holds some ill will towards Crono and company.

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 04:39:10 pm »
What if she's the fortune teller?

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Re: Vera's top-secret identity
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 10:44:25 pm »
Unfortunately we don't have a picture for the fortune teller.