Crimson Echoes Weapon Names

[ZeaLitY]

Lavos is somewhat related to the concept of a Verneshot; perhaps one of Lucca's weapons could be named thusly? If you aren't sure what it is:

A verneshot (named after French author Jules Verne) is a hypothetical volcanic eruption event which launches an extremely large rock into a sub-orbital trajectory. According to the Department of Marine Geodynamics at GeoMar, Kiel (Morgan et al.)[1], such an event could be triggered by an explosion caused by a mantle plume under a craton in an area of continental rift. Verneshots are one possible cause for extinction level events.

[Geiger]

I would suggest that Schala be a ranged attacker (though since you are replacing Ayla, that will probably require some ASM hacking).  I envision her being much the same as Edea from FFVIII, basically using magical energy for her attacks.  I would suggest using jewel names followed by soul (indicating the power is coming from within her).  For instance, Ruby Soul, Diamond Soul, etc.

---T.Geiger

[teh Schala]

In the Crimson Echoes thread I suggested:

How about:
1 - Dreamstone Pendant (or whatever we want to call the one that she had in CT)
2 - ?
3 - Platinum Gem
4 - Sun Charm
5 - Emerald Bangle
6 - Diamond Teardrop
7 - Jewel of Hope
8 - Dream Lavalliere (I actually put this here without thinking of Dreamstone, but this could be the name for her Dreamstone Pendant after it's powered up again)
9 - Star Of Zeal (If we take Daniel's drawing with a star in it, we can use it here as Schala's Dreamstone+Sunstone+RainbowShell or whatever weapon.  Her uber-awesome one.)

I couldn't rack my brain hard enough to come up with one more...  But see what you think.

By the way, just a thought...  In Lunar: Eternal Blue, after Lucia (a sort of Schala-like character in herself) leaves your party permanently, you can later find an artifact called Lucia's Tear or something like that...  (In the remake, I think it was Lucia's Pendant that did this...)  Anyway, when equipped, the item caused that character's attacks to hit 1 enemy as normal, and then that damage number would be cut in half and dealt to all other enemies too.  Was VERY awesome, and pretty much super-secret.

It might be cool to do something like that here too...  Schala's certainly not someone whom you would normally use her normal attacks, and if we make it seem like the Dream Lavalliere is her final weapon...and then she can somehow acquire the Star Of Zeal through a secret sidequest and it would do the same thing as Lucia's Tear above...  I think that would add an interesting dynamic of gameplay for Schala, not to mention it'd be just freaking awesome.  Yeah, it would be ownage, but by the time you can get the item, you'd be pretty much owning everything anyway.  So it wouldn't provide that much of an advantage...until New Game +.  Or better yet, maybe you can only get the Star Of Zeal IN New Game +!     Thoughts?

[Daniel Krispin]

Ebon Moon, from DDK. magus scythe.
Obsidian, another Scythe idea.

Alright, I'll put in EbonyMoon - I think that is what 'Ebon' is supposed to mean, after all, and that makes it less of a direct copy. I like it better than Obsidian, personally, but feel free to voice objections. And that fills up his weapons list to nine (will there need be more?)

Zonker8000 For Lucca =O

Beowulf for Glenn

Ryuraizan for Crono

Amulet for Schala(the one she gives Janus)

Atlas for Robo (was there already one like that?)

Alright, the Zonker8000 sounds alright, I think, as a more silly name to offset the serious ones. I'll put that one in for a much-needed name for Lucca's weaponry.

For Glenn... well, Beowulf is a little too well known, I think, and he already has nine weapons (if that is the total we are going for, then there needn't be any more for him.)

I'm not sure what Ryuraizan is, but seeing as we have yet to have a Japanese name for any of his weapons, and seeing as it is a Katana I have drawn for that space, I'm all for it.

For Schala... I think we're giving the pendants actual names, and they need to be pendants rather than amulets - see the later parts of this post for this.

Atlas for Robo, though essentially similar to the Strainer's name of Titan, is far enough removed that it would be good. I'm willing to add this one.

Lavos is somewhat related to the concept of a Verneshot; perhaps one of Lucca's weapons could be named thusly?

Very good. I've added it.

I would suggest that Schala be a ranged attacker (though since you are replacing Ayla, that will probably require some ASM hacking). I envision her being much the same as Edea from FFVIII, basically using magical energy for her attacks. I would suggest using jewel names followed by soul (indicating the power is coming from within her). For instance, Ruby Soul, Diamond Soul, etc.

Good point on the endings to the pendants, that should be at least one form of them, as Lucca has 'shot' and Marle 'bow'.

And to Jake-A-Roonie... I won't bother re-quoting your post, it's plain enough, so I'll comment on it simply. The names themselves are fine, although they are too long. The limit is ten character spaces. Thus perhaps it could rather be DreamStone, Sun Charm (Sun Gem?), DiamondPin, Hope Jewel, StarOfZeal. That leaves most of them. Now, the reason I was loath to use my drawing of the star was, actually, because I drew it identical to an old emblem I designed for my other stories, one that would figure prominently into it. Thus I'm not sure whether I want to use it for this or not.

Anyway, as it is, this is the revised list. (Oh, and I did not comment on them, but I did see ZeaLitY's suggestions regarding the arms.)

Oh, and whoever said it, about the Gilt Sword/ Golden Sword thing, two comments. Firstly, Gilt and Golden are the same, though Golden doesn't fit. Secondly, if one looks carefully, the shading on that sword is of a brownish shade, rather than orange. It is supposed to be polished bronze, not gold.

Crono
1 - Lead Sword*
2 - Jade Hilt*
3 - Shamshir*
4 - (Unnamed)
5 - Trusilver*
6 - Ryuraizan*
7 - Geistrand*
8 - Arco Iris*
9 - Ara Dei*

Marle
1 - Yew Bow*
2 - Ivory Bow*
3 - Fail-Not*
4 - HarpString
5 - Alkanost
6 - Kerubim*
7 - Fairy-Queen*
8 - Apollon
9 - Naveed


Lucca
1 - Flintlock*
2 - (Unnamed - looks like a WWII rifle)^
3 - SnipeShot*
4 - QuantaShot*
5 - (Unnamed - looks like an old sub-machinegun)^
6 - Zonker8000 (Looks like a futuristic handgun)^
7 - (Unnamed)
8 - VerneShot
9 - FreeRadicl*

Glenn
1 - ArmingSword*
2 - Quixote*
3 - Nauthiz*
4 - GiltSword?* (Looks like an old Greek sword)
5 - Caliburn*
6 - PaxGuardia*
7 - Galatine^ (archer-sword type)
8 - Cyrus*
9 - Clarent*
Robo
1 - Clasp
2 - PryingHand
3 - SteamPunch
4 - Strainer*
5 - DeathGrip
6 - Impax
7 - (Unnamed)
8 - Imperator
9 - Atlas

Janus
1 - Grigori*
2 - Totentanz*
3 - Erebos*
4 - Iscariot*
5 - Legion*
6 - Vanitas*
7 - EbonyMoon
8 - Khadhulu
9 - Kronian*

Schala
1 - DreamStone
2 - Sun Charm
3 - DiamondPin
4 - (Unnamed)
5 - Hope Jewel^
6 - (Unnamed)
7 - (Unnamed)
8 - (Unnamed)
9 - StarOfZeal(has a star on it, but I am considering not using this drawing)^

Well, this is certainly an improvement! We are lacking, let's see... one for Crono, three for Lucca, one for Robo, and three for Schala. Only eight to go, provided there are only nine per person. Of course, these are subject to change to some degree, so feel free to comment!

[ZeaLitY]

One interesting possibility is the addition of a few lines about each weapon once they're obtainable through the use of a computer in Chronopolis. Coordinating it so that players cannot access weapons they don't have might be a little erksome, but otherwise it'd be a neat addition to have expanded history of a few items. We could add new layers to Chrono history with this; for example, the PaxGuardia is built off a sword model used to quell a rebellion in 209 A.D., or the QuantaShot utilizes quantum entanglement or something. The only hitch is inventing new histories for mythical weapons that have names rooted in real myth. It might be a bit hard to assign a history to the "Atlas" when the real article already has established legend.

After this, should we make an attempt to tackle armors? That should also be fun, as we have to decide whether to implement interesting kinds of armor, like the colored vests. Chrono Cross has them too, come to think of it, so it might be a trend.

[Daniel Krispin]

One interesting possibility is the addition of a few lines about each weapon once they're obtainable through the use of a computer in Chronopolis. Coordinating it so that players cannot access weapons they don't have might be a little erksome, but otherwise it'd be a neat addition to have expanded history of a few items. We could add new layers to Chrono history with this; for example, the PaxGuardia is built off a sword model used to quell a rebellion in 209 A.D., or the QuantaShot utilizes quantum entanglement or something. The only hitch is inventing new histories for mythical weapons that have names rooted in real myth. It might be a bit hard to assign a history to the "Atlas" when the real article already has established legend.

After this, should we make an attempt to tackle armors? That should also be fun, as we have to decide whether to implement interesting kinds of armor, like the colored vests. Chrono Cross has them too, come to think of it, so it might be a trend.

I had the very same problem with the mythical names a little while back, actually, when I was attempting to make up those 'manual' pages with the weapons. Sure, Totentanz means 'dance of death'... but do I truly want to translate the German? If I was doing this myself, I probably would (as I would make reference to the Greeks and Greek myth, seeing as I hold them to have been precursers even in Chrono world), but for this... how does one explain Atlas? Hmmm... you know, I think we can speak about the legendary Titan who holds the world on his shoulders without actually straying from the Chrono world. We don't have the mention the Greeks (though I would, personally). The term Titan exists in the Chrono world, after all. We have the Grim Reaper, and we have Saints looking like Greek hoplites. The influences are there, and it would not be out of line to speak of Titans. Likewise something like Erebos, which is the primordeal Darkness in Greek myth. One can mention this Darkness in so far as it is a myth, but needn't say it is Greek. The thing is, CT and CC both have a guillotine, and I don't think there was ever Dr. Guillotine in the Chrono world.

I should think the vests are leather coats with segments of metal sewn on. They would thus be lighter, and presumably more agile, than mail. The vest->mail is the common transition in both Chrono games. We could add something historical here, and make it rather vest->scale->mail->plate in increasing order of defence, and decreasing agility. Thus one may have, to borrow the example of 'Black', Black Vest, Black Scales, Black Mail, and Black Plate ... this last being similar to CC plate's, though rather plate-armour, rather than a single plate.

[ZeaLitY]

This touches on the idea of having some armor simply being upgraded versions of a basic model, similar to the Arco Iris / Dei. That might actually make sense, since it would seem likely that by now, Melchior could forge any armor or adornment that's better in quality than any old thing Crono finds while out searching Zealian ruins or a Dark Ages dungeon. Just for the sake of varied names, if we did follow this idea, and have a set of four armor pieces used during the game (doesn't matter if its close to beginning or end), I'm not sure whether we'd want to affix the classification of regular medieval armor to more than Glenn, simply for the sake of variation.

So, at a certain point in the game, the characters would receive or find their basic, starting armor, which should only sell for 1g, or have another measure in place regarding it to prevent its selling or loss. At three more increments, it could be upgraded in Chronopolis by Melchior, perhaps with technology advancement mirroring the party's own discoveries in the plot. I'm going to throw out some candidates, in case this is a good idea. The idea is to make every garb seem stronger or more ornate than the last.

Glenn:

Dusty Vest (Melchior identifies this as an extraordinary work later on)
RustScales (keeping with a progression of cleaning up)
Noble Mail (almost there)
CrestPlate

Schala:

TattrdRobe
BlueSarong
RoyalGuise
Zeal Gown

Magus:

PoisonCoat
Vile Shawl
Lost Dream
CrimseHood

Robo:

LubedPanel
Fuse Body
SparkCover
ChargeSuit

Crono:

TwillWeave
MartialFly
Fu Fabric
JeetKuneDo

I'm going to add more, but I'm posting this now to secure attention and idea.

[teh Schala]

The only tiny thing about Schala's equipment ('cause you know I always read what's up with her! ) is that a sarong is typically not something you'd wear around...and certainly not into battle, whether you're a magic princess or not!  Sarongs are kind of akin to swimdresses, and usually feature a very long slit so that one leg is almost entirely visible.  While that kind of visual style is used in games like EverQuest (the girl on the cover), the term "sarong" is usually associated with swimwear, so it may not go very well with this.

[DivineDragoonKain]

For clarification, Daniel, Ebony Moon was the actual name I suggested, and Zeality changed it when he posted here. *shrug*

Also, I'm fairly sure Ryuraizan means Thunder Dragon Blade. <_< Zan is either Blade or Cut, and I'm not sure which.

[Chrono'99]

If there are going to be 9 weapons of each type, don't we need to take out one of Glenn's sword? because he has the Masamune but it's not listed here.

And it's Alkonost, not Alkanost.

[Daniel Krispin]

For clarification, Daniel, Ebony Moon was the actual name I suggested, and Zeality changed it when he posted here. *shrug*

Also, I'm fairly sure Ryuraizan means Thunder Dragon Blade. <_< Zan is either Blade or Cut, and I'm not sure which.

Oh, sorry. Now that you mention it, that does sound familiar from a while back, but I suppose I forgot.

If there are going to be 9 weapons of each type, don't we need to take out one of Glenn's sword? because he has the Masamune but it's not listed here.

And it's Alkonost, not Alkanost.

The Masamune may constitute a 10th for him. I just chose 9 arbitarially (and because I didn't feel like drawing any more than that!), but some may have more, even as they do in Chrono Trigger (Crono has far more weapons than, say, Lucca does.)

And as far as Alkanost goes... well, then it's Menelaos, not Menelaus, Akhilleus, not Achilles. Considering that I prefer the former of all of those, if Alkonost is the more correct one, I would also rather have it so. After all, I am the one that made it Kerubim rather than Cherubim, for the same reason.
Hmmm... I'm thinking... is Alkonost Greek in origin? Because it sounds like a Greek name, though I could be mistaken. The very fact that it may be o rather than a seems like it (though usually the o got translated into a u, as in Menelaos' case - technically, the short a sounds closer, though.) I'll look it up on Perseus if I can.
Hmmm... guess not. I was thinking of Alka, from the name 'Αλκαθοος', which apparently means 'swift courage' (alka being courage). I love that Greek Lexicon, though. So many interesting things in it...

[Hadriel]

For the hell of it, I'll post Sterling for Lucca's WWII rifle and Astaroth for Magus' remaining scythe here as well.  For the Sterling, it was a standard-issue weapon in WWII and is the basis for the E-11 blaster rifle in Star Wars.

The Masamune would have to constitute a tenth weapon for Glenn, since we can't very well leave it out.

On armor: Here are some armors for consideration, not necessarily in order of protectiveness or character usability:

KevlarVest
Chain Mail
Plate Mail
Eidolon
Titanium
Heat Plate
ShogunSuit
Demonhide
LavosScale
DreamGuard
PrismGuard
Dragonhide
Bonemold
ForceField
Gaia Heart
Preserver
Oracle

[Daniel Krispin]

I'm not sure whether we'd want to affix the classification of regular medieval armor to more than Glenn, simply for the sake of variation.

Actually, those are not middle-ages armour types, but rather ones that hold true for all of, at least Western, history. Say, the first existed from about 3000 to about 1200BC, the scales from then to about 300BC, the mail from then onward, and plate from, what was it, 1300AD, onward, with some overlap.

Now, to Hadriel:

Actually, I do think Sterling works better for the machine-gun like one I drew (also heavily borrowed/copied from a WW2 design.)

Okay, I have comments on each one of these.

KevlarVest

Maybe a little too modern, but workable.

Chain Mail


Ai, the monstrosity again! There is no such bloody thing as chain mail. It never existed. It was simply called 'mail'.

Plate Mail

Isn't this a contradiction

Eidolon

Well, this is already apparent in CC as Steena's special elements, but beyond that... what does a spirit (which, if I remember right... let's see... yes, a phantom or image, like of dead men) in Greek, has to do with armoury.

Titanium

Kind of simple, thouh.

Heat Plate

Let me guess: deflects fire attacks?

ShogunSuit

I'm not sure on this one.

Demonhide

Do demons have hides?

LavosScale

How does one get the scales of Lavos?

DreamGuard

This one works, I think.

PrismGuard

Again, alright. I assume these are helms?

Dragonhide

Cliche?

Bonemold

Isn't this from Morrowind?

ForceField

A good one there.

Gaia Heart

Works within the Chrono world, I think.

Preserver

Simple, but usable.

Oracle

I'm not sure on this one.

Anyway, have you seen ZeaLitY's suggestion earlier in the thread on how to order these? I quite like the progressions he goes by. It seems he is thinking of making unique armour for each character, which could be an idea.

[Hadriel]

That could totally work.  And honestly, I didn't like most of the suggestions I made.  Question though: how can ForceField not be too modern when KevlarVest is?

Bonemold isn't just from Morrowind.  It's been used in RPGs way before The Elder Scrolls came along.

I suppose one could get the scales of Lavos Spawns being experimented on by King Zeal.

[ZeaLitY]

Yeah, I don't think all the armor would be custom and made by Melchior, but we could do a simple part of the game where each character gets a starting armor and Melchior upgrades them a few times. Eventually, better armor outdoes their basic physical properties, and we get back to the regular mold of finding armor or getting special stuff.