Clarification of Lavos/Pd and TD/DBT

[DeweyisOverrated]

I'm not completly up to par on Lavos and his PD, and the TD in the DBT... so clarify these few things for me:

1) assuming Crono+co defeat Lavos 1999AD after he errupts from earth;  IMO, Lavos, upon erupting, leaves the PD, and Crono+co defeat him.  So, after his defeat, Crono and Co go back in time... would Lavos still be in the earth's core during 1000 AD (600ad, etc)?  I say yes.

2)   It's my understanding that the DBt moves slower in regards to the normal timeline, but is parallel to all of time.. or something like that.... and the defeat of the TD completly erases it from all timelines, correct?

3) I'm under the assumption Schala merges to form the TD during the Ocean Palace disaster... so is it correct to say that she is part of the TD from 12,000 on?

Once again, I believe most of theese to be at least mostly correct, but asking for clarification because I'm not compltely sure.  thanks.

[V_Translanka]

But...You can't go back in time once you defeat him...But, you're wrong because you fight Lavos (at least his other forms, if not his shell) IN the PD (note swirly blueness).

[Legend of the Past]

I'm not completly up to par on Lavos and his PD, and the TD in the DBT... so clarify these few things for me:

1) assuming Crono+co defeat Lavos 1999AD after he errupts from earth;  IMO, Lavos, upon erupting, leaves the PD, and Crono+co defeat him.  So, after his defeat, Crono and Co go back in time... would Lavos still be in the earth's core during 1000 AD (600ad, etc)?  I say yes.

And I say no. Lavos' PD is eradicated, and it exists OUTSIDE the Timeline. It dosen't affect the Timeline, and vice versa. You destroy Lavos, he ceases to power the timeline. Plus the fact that once you defeat Lavos' shell, the shell still erupts (As if commanded by the Core to do so) and destruction can STILL rain from the heavens. Only differnce is, Lavos needs time to recover from the blow. If someone were to break your jaw, you'd need a while to get over the pain.

2) It's my understanding that the DBt moves slower in regards to the normal timeline, but is parallel to all of time.. or something like that.... and the defeat of the TD completly erases it from all timelines, correct?

Like with the PD, the DBT is a completly different plain of existence. Not effected by the Timeline (Or dimension, if we're talking in the DBT's scale) direcrly, unless a timeline is destroyed, at which case that dimension is thrown into the DBT. Otherwise, the dimesnions are unconnected. In fact, only because Opassa Beach was the place of the split, the space\time continua was weaker there, so something as powerful as the Time Egg was capable of breaching through the dimensionel void and allowing Serge entrance and exit of the DBT.

3) I'm under the assumption Schala merges to form the TD during the Ocean Palace disaster... so is it correct to say that she is part of the TD from 12,000 on?

Hmm... If you're talking about what Lucca and Marle said, then you misunderstood. Schala's fate has twisted and changed due to the disaster, but not during the disaster. The OP disaster caused her to get sent to the Tesseract, where she merged with Lavos. One would prefer to believe, though, that being as she was sent into the DBT during 12,000 BC, and time does seem to flow there (Being as the TD was waiting there for the time had ripen, that he could evolve once more), you could say that, I guess...

[Zaperking]

I don't think Schala truely merged with Lavos, otherwise time and space would have been destroyed. People put the phrase out of context.
What was happening was that Lavos started the process, and she was placed into that sphere prison upon Lavos' back. There he would suck her energy, and in near future, the merge would be complete and then the true DoT would exist.

[Lordchander]

As i once said a while ago now, Schala's 'merging' with the TD doesnt seem right, i never thought it was a true merging because you could see them both (like i mean u can see Schala on top of the TD), a proper merging (like in DBZ) would have 2 beings becoming ONE being. the TD merging isnt a ONE being.

[Zaperking]

Exactally.

My own belief is that the barrier that surrounds Schala is her own protective shield that is slowing down the merging process. That was why Lavos needed extra power from the Dragons to make himself stronger. And slowly he could drain her energy till the barrier would die and then he could truely merge with her.

[Sentenal]

They are in the process of merging into one being.  If they had already merges, the TD would have destroyed existance.

[jotabe1789]

Don't think so... they were all merged they needed to be to destroy the existence. I gathered from the game that they had been destroying spacetimes, and now it was the turn for ours. Actually, when you get the "bad ending", i think they say that the TD leaves to devour other timelines.

[Sentenal]

Eh, on the first account, no, and the second account, I can't remmber, but probably no.

[Zaperking]

Umm, I think you got it wrong, Jotabe.

Schala and Lavos, if unhelped or un interfered by Serge would have merged in the distant future, then they would destroy time and space forever.

In the bad ending, Lavos and Schala are sucked into the depths of the DBT and are destroyed, and the two dimensions continue to exist.

[Legend of the Past]

Umm, I think you got it wrong, Jotabe.

Schala and Lavos, if unhelped or un interfered by Serge would have merged in the distant future, then they would destroy time and space forever.

In the bad ending, Lavos and Schala are sucked into the depths of the DBT and are destroyed, and the two dimensions continue to exist.

And if Serge loses at the final battle on Opassa Beach (After going through the entire game) you just get the "And so the life force known as Serge got owned by a porcupine" thing... Unless you know something we don't, Jotabe?

[jotabe1789]

i might be mistaken, i concede that   but i have the strong conviction that i am right... i guess i will have to wait till i play through it again (i start right now lol   )

[Legend of the Past]

i might be mistaken, i concede that   but i have the strong conviction that i am right... i guess i will have to wait till i play through it again (i start right now lol   )

In fact, I have a save before the ending. I'll just tune up the emulator (Had to change the sound settings to play XenoGears) and try it out.

[DeweyisOverrated]

im understanding everything except the eradication of Lavos.  I think ther might be a misunderstanding.

OK so you defeat Lavos in PD.  He is eradicated from all of time, correct?  So, essentially, this means he never crashed into the earth in the first place... in my mind, that makes no sense.  Now, if you say, "well he hadnt crashed yet, hes only erased once he crashes into the earth", then you have to look at day of lavos.... comes out of the earths crust and is defeated.  so in my mind, it seems as if hes outside of the PD... or is he ALWYS in the pd?  I don't believe he is.

So is what you guys are saying is that after Crono and Co. defeat Lavos, regardless of timeline or location, Lavos disappears from all timelines?  So does this basically mean that in the "new" timeline, thje second Lavos crashes into earth, he disappears, since he is now gone?  Or does he not even crash at all?  (impossible, i believe, as the human race would never evolve, etc).

[SilentMartyr]

He is eradicated from all of time, correct?  So, essentially, this means he never crashed into the earth in the first place... in my mind, that makes no sense.  Now, if you say, "well he hadnt crashed yet, hes only erased once he crashes into the earth", then you have to look at day of lavos.... comes out of the earths crust and is defeated.  so in my mind, it seems as if hes outside of the PD... or is he ALWYS in the pd?  I don't believe he is.

So is what you guys are saying is that after Crono and Co. defeat Lavos, regardless of timeline or location, Lavos disappears from all timelines?  So does this basically mean that in the "new" timeline, thje second Lavos crashes into earth, he disappears, since he is now gone?  Or does he not even crash at all?  (impossible, i believe, as the human race would never evolve, etc).

Lavos isn't erradicated from all time. It still crashes into the planet, and still destroys Zeal. The real trouble is determining exactly when the group destroyed Lavos, due to the Black Omen. It's easy if they take the bucket or Epoch, then Lavos is done in 1999. But if they go through the Black Omen then they battle Lavos in that time, whichever it is (12000, 600, or 1000). Whenever they defeat Lavos is when it is sent to the DBT.

Lavos leaves the PD only when it is destroying things, like Zeal or the planet. It creates the PD once it crashes into the planet, and the PD remains until its defeat.

In the new timeline everything that happened before hand still happens. Only the stuff after its defeat is changed, nothing before.