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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2005, 05:00:56 am »
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My little sister read it in two days. Knowing that someone dies, I asked her who (it did not bother me to have it spoiled), and she told me who, by who's hand. I must say, hearing what she told me, I do not even know if I want to read it. The fifth was her least well written, and dragged itself along - remember I am one to read the Iliad and the like without getting bored. And now with THIS sort of ending, it seems to me that she could not have made a worse choice.


In fact, I'd of probably made them same choice: His death (I'll still insist writing the name) seemed like a necesarry one if the story was to progress. Let me quote a scene:

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And Harry saw very clearly as he sat there under the hot sun how people who cared about him had stood in front of him one by one, his mother, his father, his godfather, and finally [CENSORED], all determined to protect him; but now that was over. He could not let anybody else stand between him and Voldemortl he must abandon forever the illusion he ought to have lost at the age of one, that the shelter of his parent's arms meant that nothing could hurt him. There was no waking from his nightmare, no comforting whisper in the dark that he was safe really, that it was all in his imagination; The last and greatest of his protectors had died, and he was more alone then he had ever been before.


I hope you'd understand why the death is needed. Like in this new tale I'm planning (Not Liniria, something else) where the hero must face the lose of a mother, three brothers, and about half his friends before he gets any chance to defeating his foe. Which is why the final chapter is called: "I want to hear the sound my ocean emits". He wants to hear it, but he has yet to hear it. Nothing must stand in his way, because he and his foe will destroy all in their path during their battle (Like the Adriana and Lorocon thing when she asked to come with him. She came, she saw, she was murdered). Plus, I doubt your sister even told of the Horcruxes?

Anyway, I'd think you could understand this idea, with your writing and all. The ending of the sixth book is the way it is for one reason: Things must get worse before they can get better. This book can be read stand-alone,  but I look at it as a part of a single story. The ending of this book is not the ending, but it ends with a: "...he felt his heart lift at the thought that there was still ne last golden day of peace left to enjoy with Ron and Hermione." Harry has never been this determined to beat Voldemort, or beat his killer, for that matter. He wants to go like a man, be it his victory, be it his death, to beat Voldemort. That was what he REALLY learned in the sixth year. Also, I like how Rowling did the "Voldemort created his own foe" idea, and how Harry is different from Voldemort.  Anyways, you should still give it a read. It's two, if not three times better then the Order of the Phoenix.


No, she never told me about those things, those Horcruxes. But I see what you mean. Yet actually, my greatest annoyance was what she did to the other character, the one who actually killed him. Why did she make him evil? That is akin to making Magus evil, I think. He should have been the one to die in Harry's defence!


Him? Why was he evil? He was half-blood, he was tormented as a child, and that caused him to, shall we say, "turn to the dark side"? Same for Voldemort, really. Messed up childhood messed up his mind. In the end, the Horcruxes (Which you should really talk to you sister about, they'll vasten your understanding of Voldemort's power and just how far he'd go for immortality) turned him completly inhuman. That killer (I insist upon not saying his name in public) was a horrible person from the start off. He was a half-blood hater who hated half-blood, for crying out loud! Just like James, his was filled with vanity, and in the end when a person so great was begging for his life in front of his eyes just because he was sure there some good in him and he still killed him without the slightest blink of emotion, I think you should really care less about this guy. Still, I feel he has a bigger role in the seventh book to come. Well, we'll find out in two to four years, then, if both of us will be still around here (Though I might have to go to the army by then) we'll have a bigger discussion. There's a lot I think you should pay attention to in this series, Dan.


She'd just better redeem him, that's all I'll say. It was far better to have a Magus-like sorcerer than one evil like that. Remember, even Sauron repented for a time.


Hey, she just might. He did what he did because he'd die otherwise. Not by Voldemort, but by the Unbreakable Vow. And for sympathey for Draco... Anyway, he respected the one he killed, but not so much as to takes his pleads for help (Which were shocking, really) as something worthey listening...

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2005, 05:14:38 am »
Sad isnt it, he had no choice, it was either to kill, or to die. Personally i'd rather die, i wouldn't want to kill any1. But the thing is:

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still killed him without the slightest blink of emotion


I cannot understand why, surely he felt SOME sympathy for him?

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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2005, 05:24:00 am »
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still killed him without the slightest blink of emotion


I cannot understand why, surely he felt SOME sympathy for him?


Maybe, but like I said, it wasn't enough to stop him. Seriously, he was on his knees, weak, disarmed and pleeding for his life.

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2005, 05:28:59 am »
True true. But i dont understand why he was pleading, his character was one of those types who wouldn't care about death, so why did he plea? Was he shocked at who his murderer was?

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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2005, 06:17:00 am »
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True true. But i dont understand why he was pleading, his character was one of those types who wouldn't care about death, so why did he plea? Was he shocked at who his murderer was?


He was begging for Snape to show him he was right, that Snape was good under it all.

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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2005, 07:29:52 am »
Based on what u said, Legend, I think that Snape could be a very good person no matter what he has done, u never know, he might even turn good in the seventh book! Ur guess is as good as mine.

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2005, 04:09:05 am »
Alright, I haven't read any of these supposed "Harry Potter" books...But have been wondering if they're worth reading...This kind of fantasy isn't normally my cup o' tea, but heck, if it's popular, it's gotta be...uh...stuff.

So, based on the only real fantasy-esk grouping of books (uh...series) I've read, please tell me if I should give it a crack...The Dark Tower. The Dark Tower series of books are byfar some of my favorite books, so, how do these Harry Potter books hold up against Stephen King's tale of Roland, the world's last gunslinger?

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2005, 07:54:48 am »
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Alright, I haven't read any of these supposed "Harry Potter" books...But have been wondering if they're worth reading...This kind of fantasy isn't normally my cup o' tea, but heck, if it's popular, it's gotta be...uh...stuff.

So, based on the only real fantasy-esk grouping of books (uh...series) I've read, please tell me if I should give it a crack...The Dark Tower. The Dark Tower series of books are byfar some of my favorite books, so, how do these Harry Potter books hold up against Stephen King's tale of Roland, the world's last gunslinger?


Don't know. I've got them, but never gave them a read. But it's not as in-depth fantasy. It's in fact got more real-world connections (The story taking place in modern-day britain and such). It's just stories of the Wizarding World, and all their amusing habits. It takes a darker turn in the sixth book, but it really is very easy to get into. Plus, read AT LEAST five chapters of the first book. If you still don't like it, put it away. The beggining is a bit, err.. well, it dosen't seem to be going anywhere.

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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2005, 07:30:53 pm »
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Sad isnt it, he had no choice, it was either to kill, or to die. Personally i'd rather die, i wouldn't want to kill any1. But the thing is:

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still killed him without the slightest blink of emotion


I cannot understand why, surely he felt SOME sympathy for him?


I don't think that Snape felt any sympathy when killing.  He put enough power into the curse that it blasted him off the tower.

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2005, 07:37:01 pm »
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Sad isnt it, he had no choice, it was either to kill, or to die. Personally i'd rather die, i wouldn't want to kill any1. But the thing is:

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still killed him without the slightest blink of emotion


I cannot understand why, surely he felt SOME sympathy for him?


I don't think that Snape felt any sympathy when killing.  He put enough power into the curse that it blasted him off the tower.


Enough power? Curses and spells, when cast properly, can't have more magnitude. Snape didn't give a damn about him. He's like Worm-Tail, always looking for a master who can give him a comfortable life. It dosen't matter if Dumbledore had offered him a better life, Voldemort offered to friggin take it away. Betray or die, that was his choice. Dumbledore would of kept him safe... But Snape had to be an ass.

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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2005, 03:57:33 am »
There is only really 2 form of power in magic: weak (when say a student first tries a spell) and normal (when some1 casts a spell properly).

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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2005, 07:40:09 pm »
Just to state my opinion on Harry Potter books, I have to say I never liked them. I feel that the writer steals to much from Greek mythology, rushes her work, and doesn't write in very high standards. I have seen books boy and girls that wave wands and go to magic schools in other books, that were written in the 70's and 80's.

I have admit J.K. Rolling is a dedicated author.

I am not dissing anyone, just making a comment.

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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2005, 05:38:36 am »
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Just to state my opinion on Harry Potter books, I have to say I never liked them. I feel that the writer steals to much from Greek mythology, rushes her work, and doesn't write in very high standards. I have seen books boy and girls that wave wands and go to magic schools in other books, that were written in the 70's and 80's.

I have admit J.K. Rolling is a dedicated author.

I am not dissing anyone, just making a comment.


Her style's just fine, thank you very much. Plus the fact she dosen't rush her work, three years between the fifth and sixth book. That's just fine, I think.

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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2005, 05:56:18 am »
Okay, although no one was actually able to give a comparison I guess I'll try them out sometime...If for no other reason than to see just how good/bad they are...I've heard she uses a lot of adverbs though, although I may be thinking of someone else...recently (haha!) that's been a lil pet-peeve of mine...seeing so many adverbs ticks me off like someone using the word 'lightyear' as a function of time...or using 'pronounciation' when they mean 'pronunciation'.

Ah...such a freakish nit-picker I am...and I'm not even one to talk! BWAH HAHA!!!

edit: although, actually, I'm about to read a few books on Bushido, so I guess this'll hafta wait unless those really suck it up...but Sun Tsu was awesome...so i should have fun...