why is he stronger?

[beaner 14]

in the ocean palace when you fight Lavos to prevent Crono's death why does it seem that Lavos is stronger than when youd normally fight him through the bucket, epoch, etc.

Its it because of the Mammon Machine, or you just not supposed to beat him there, like to keep the story goin

[Lordchander]

or you just not supposed to beat him there, like to keep the story goin?
 
 

Exactly. They made him stronger because the main storyline is so that they all faint from the fight and the story continues from there. Though u can beat him, it just finishes the game though.

[V_Translanka]

I think it could be because of the Mammon Machine being so close. I mean, that's the whole point of why Lavos bugs out in the first place and decides to wreck havoc on Zeal, yeah? Don't fuck w/Lavos's energy people! It get's it all PO'd and uberpowerful.

[L33t Ninj4]

I don't think Lavos is any stronger, it's probably just because your party is much weaker at this point in the game as opposed to when you fight him after completing all the other main and side quests.

I'd bet if you beat Lavos at the end of the game with a level-55 party and then started a new game+ and fought Lavos in the Ocean Palace with the same level-55 party, you'd probably lay the smackdown on Lavos just like you did beforehand.

[Legend of the Past]

I don't think Lavos is any stronger, it's probably just because your party is much weaker at this point in the game as opposed to when you fight him after completing all the other main and side quests.

I'd bet if you beat Lavos at the end of the game with a level-55 party and then started a new game+ and fought Lavos in the Ocean Palace with the same level-55 party, you'd probably lay the smackdown on Lavos just like you did beforehand.

Agreed. You're ill-equiped and badly trained to beat Lavos. If you'd have the Rainbow and all the other Ultimate weapos along with Prism Mail's (Or whichever equilvent there is in CT) you could kick the shit out of Lavos...

[V_Translanka]

Actually, I'm fairly sure people have checked and Lavos' Destruction Rains From the Heavens does more damage during the Ocean Palace incident sequence.

[Legend of the Past]

Actually, I'm fairly sure people have checked and Lavos' Destruction Rains From the Heavens does more damage during the Ocean Palace incident sequence.

No, it does more damage because you have lesser armor. Prism mails can cut the damage two, nay, three times less. So... There.

[V_Translanka]

No, what I mean, is that people CHECKED that already. Y'know? Doing comparisons? Not w/different armors or different levels or anything. Heck, I'm pretty sure they could've just checked the coding if they were uber 1337 or w/e those crazy kids are calling themselves these days...

[Legend of the Past]

No, what I mean, is that people CHECKED that already. Y'know? Doing comparisons? Not w/different armors or different levels or anything. Heck, I'm pretty sure they could've just checked the coding if they were uber 1337 or w/e those crazy kids are calling themselves these days...

Hmm, makes no sense to me, considering how you can beat him just as easily as would in 1999 on New Game+....

And do you have anyone who checked? Something from GameFAQ's or w\e?

[V_Translanka]

how you can beat him just as easily as would in 1999 on New Game+....

Uh, what?

And yeah, it was from over at GameFAQs, since that's where them h4x0r people I remember always were at....

[L33t Ninj4]

Either way is valid. Perhaps Lavos is indeed stronger stat-wise when you face him in the Ocean Palace. But thanks to the glory of new game+, it's negated when you return fully equiped and more powerful. Besides, if you weren't playing a new game+, you probably wouldn't notice anyhow. Lavos would mop the floor with you.

[Foolish Boy]

I know for a fact he is much stronger, the shell is anyway. I'm going through now and getting all the endings for FFC and I had a 3 person party on a new game + and fought him and he killed all my characters except for Crono  and I ended up defeating the shell just using luminaire and curing every other turn. This is around level 55 or 56. There was no save point inside him and then when I fought the actual Lavos...I died    cause I had a shit party. I was just trying to get past it and see if it was possible.

However, I did get the Developer's Room ending by starting a new game + and beating Lavos with just Crono and Marle. Same levels as the one in ocean palace and everything. He's DEFINITELY harder in ocean palace. His Destruction Rains from the Heavens was clocking in at around 400 on Crono, and up to 700 on marle. This was with good armor and accessories. While facing him through the right telepod time gate, the destruction rains only does around 100 or so to each of my characters.

In the ocean palace, Lavos only uses 3 moves and in sequence. Destruction Rains, Chaotic Zone, and the Needle Strike. The Neddle Strike is what really f00ked me.

[beaner 14]

how can you say hes not harder??

i went through with a New Game +
i had the moon armor rainbow, nova armor, prism helms, and all that other stuff and  still got my shit ROCKED hes is like ALOT ALOT stronger

im thinkin it is because of the mammon machine though

[teh Schala]

Yes, Lavos is statistically stronger in the Ocean Palace than ANYWHERE else.  As for where I got that info from...me.  I checked it myself.

Take a look using the program Crone (available at Zophar's Domain).  Under the Ocean Palace category, you'll find this incarnation of Lavos, with a little monster # and all that stuff.  Then scroll to the end of the game and check out Lavos there.  His stats are *MUCH* lower (like 10,000 fewer HP, I think like half the attack power, etc) and it's a different monster number.

So it's not just because of your equipment.  He really IS that much stronger.  Technically speaking, it's a different "monster" that you fight at the OP than at all other times.

[beaner 14]

THANK YOU

thats what i was tryin to get across i just dint have the proof to show it

thanks