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« Reply #105 on: August 16, 2005, 09:23:36 pm »
I have this idea that FATE, or maybe even Schala was the Entity. FATE was sent in the past to prevent specific things from happening after all. Maybe it was FATE manipulating time, as stated by Belthesar? Or it could even be Schala. We only have vague details of what happened to her in Chrono Cross, and what connections she has to that story. Maybe Schala was behind all of the events in Chrono Trigger?

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« Reply #106 on: August 16, 2005, 09:48:22 pm »
All of this makes me think about how humans evolved from apes via contact with Lavos. If the planet was trying to get rid of Lavos, then wouldn't it get rid of humans as well? They're both aliens to the planet.

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« Reply #107 on: August 16, 2005, 10:45:23 pm »
FATE can't be the Entity, because FATE was created after the events of CT, after the future is saved.  Schala can't be the entity, it doesn't make any sense?

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« Reply #108 on: August 16, 2005, 10:56:34 pm »
Just because something doesn't make sense to us straight away doesn't mean it is beyond possibility. Though I see your point, FATE inevitably was created and the threads of time were weaved to deem it so.. what Crono and his crew did inevitably was "the" future. I can understand what you feel about Schala though. It's not very clear.

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« Reply #109 on: August 16, 2005, 11:35:48 pm »
Well, there isn't any facts in favor of Schala being the entity, so why would you even think that?

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« Reply #110 on: August 16, 2005, 11:43:21 pm »
Since Schala is thought to be one of the ones orchestrating the events of Chrono Cross, and since she is in the Tesseract, she has access to every timeline, every dimension.

One could argue that Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross happen simultaneously. If that's true, then Schala is able to change events in both adventures.

I don't think Schala is the entity, but that's just my way of trying to explain the notion.

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« Reply #111 on: August 17, 2005, 12:33:00 am »
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Since Schala is thought to be one of the ones orchestrating the events of Chrono Cross, and since she is in the Tesseract, she has access to every timeline, every dimension.

One could argue that Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross happen simultaneously. If that's true, then Schala is able to change events in both adventures.

I don't think Schala is the entity, but that's just my way of trying to explain the notion.


Actually, it is not Schala, but Belthesar that is thought to be, and proven to be, orchestrating the events. The only aid she lends is the creation of her clone during the famed storm that swept Serge to Chronopolis in his youth. Other than this, the only other influences she has is in that she rescues Serge in his youth, splitting the dimensions: but she does this from a future time, presumably after she was saved, and acting in accordance with Belthesar. So he is the one orchestrating it, yet is not the Entity.

The thing is, the Entity is the planet, short and simple. Personally, I would like it to be God, but that, I know full well, is not the intent. When the Entity is first mentioned (and is this not the only time?) in the forest of south Zenan, it is mentioned that all these things, these time periods, that they saw, were perhaps the death-sights of a dying Entity, like the life flashing before one's eyes. Now, Schala had nothing to do with 65mil BC, so that rules her out. In fact, it rules out everyone but the Planet and Lavos. Presumably, Lavos would not orchestrate his own destruction. Thus this leaves only the Planet which, I must point out, ties in with the very apparent overall theme of environmentalism, shown once again in the end of CC. There is speaks of all things on this world being a dream of the Planet. Thus the Planet is what it all revolves around. Seriously, as much as I've wished to believe otherwise, I can see no other true explanation.

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« Reply #112 on: August 17, 2005, 12:52:08 am »
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Since Schala is thought to be one of the ones orchestrating the events of Chrono Cross, and since she is in the Tesseract, she has access to every timeline, every dimension.

One could argue that Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross happen simultaneously. If that's true, then Schala is able to change events in both adventures.

I don't think Schala is the entity, but that's just my way of trying to explain the notion.


The DBT is simply the collecting places of discarded timelines.  Everything in there is frozen in time.  The only reason the TD isn't is because Schala was teleported there, not via being discarded.

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« Reply #113 on: August 17, 2005, 02:53:45 am »
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Since Schala is thought to be one of the ones orchestrating the events of Chrono Cross, and since she is in the Tesseract, she has access to every timeline, every dimension.

One could argue that Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross happen simultaneously. If that's true, then Schala is able to change events in both adventures.

I don't think Schala is the entity, but that's just my way of trying to explain the notion.


In the Tesseract, she can't have access to every timeline or dimension. It is not exactally frozen like Sentenal said. All the disgarded timelines and dimensions are there. That is why they were able to be extracted (The Dead Sea) through the dimensional distortions. It's like a full rubbish bin. Lavos started pulling a metaphorical string that Chronopolis was connected to to get it back in time. By doing that, the bin moved backwards a little. When Lavos failed to get it to where he wanted, Chronopolis was released of the string, and the rubbish bin ricocheted and the Dead Sea went to the area where Chronopolis before (after the first TimeCrash obviousally).

Well anyway, thing's in the tesseract aren't frozen. Just stored and untouched. Everything in those dimensions in the tesseract does not have life or a soul, until they are put back into a timeline, etc. Lavos was supposed to be discarded, but did not freeze. Schala was gated to the Tesseract and was being used by Lavos..

What Schala was able to do was use her power to try and open the link at Angelus Arrore  (I think that's what it's called, I forgot) which was the weakest point in the dimensions because of Serge and whatever, tried escaping by heard Serge's crying and led him to Chronopolis.

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« Reply #114 on: August 17, 2005, 06:38:21 am »
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Actually, it is not Schala, but Belthesar that is thought to be, and proven to be, orchestrating the events. The only aid she lends is the creation of her clone during the famed storm that swept Serge to Chronopolis in his youth. Other than this, the only other influences she has is in that she rescues Serge in his youth, splitting the dimensions: but she does this from a future time, presumably after she was saved, and acting in accordance with Belthesar. So he is the one orchestrating it, yet is not the Entity.

Kid was created in 1,004 AD while the storm was in 1,006 AD. Actually, some people believe that Schala created Kid without any consideration of Belthasar or Serge (it is stated that she did so only because her/Lavos's dark side was becoming dominant), and that it was only much later that Belthasar discovered Kid's existence and Schala's fate. That would explain why Project Kid is named Project Kid too.

Anyway, it wasn't Schala that saved Serge from drowning, it was Kid, in the future "of the time-line without Serge going to the DBT".

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« Reply #115 on: August 17, 2005, 06:45:00 am »
Exactally.

1. Schala DID save Serge. When he was young, he neally died from the panthar demon, and was sent to Chronopolis by Schala's interferance.
She could not save him again in the future though, when Lynx handled it.

2. It was said that Kid was created in the Tesseract just moments before the storm happened. Schala threw Kid out through it, and Kid's pendant sent her 2 year's back for Lucca.

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« Reply #116 on: August 17, 2005, 07:25:57 am »
1. It's why I said "saved from drowning".

2. Here what the Lucca ghost says:
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  (...)
   This caused a raging magnetic
   storm that resulted in FATE's
   system malfunction, which led
   Serge to the Frozen Flame.

   Yes, Serge...
   The sound of your crying
   touched the heart of
   Princess Schala...
   Before the destructive mind-
   set could become dominant,
   she cloned herself and sent
   her copy into this dimension.
   Schala left her baby
   daughter-clone with her
   ancient pendant, possessing
   magical powers.
   This was to safeguard her
   daughter-clone in life-and-
   death situations.
   The pendant would rewind
   time a little, sending her
   daughter-clone into a safer
   point in the immediate past.

The pendant rewinds time just "a little", sending her into "the immediate" past... I don't know if 2 whole years can be considered immediate past... So either:
1. Kid's creation has no relation to the storm event
2. Schala made the storm then created Kid afterwards (after in terms of causality, although in the past in terms of time)
3. or Kid wasn't born in 1,004 AD but actually in 1,006 AD (I think some people believe this).

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« Reply #117 on: August 17, 2005, 08:01:13 am »
Yeah, Well since that quote about Kid goes right after about the storm event, im pretty sure Kid was sent out during it. There pretty much is no other stated time when this could have happened. Schala had one chance when she reached out for Serge.

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« Reply #118 on: August 17, 2005, 09:46:46 am »
I always figured the Tesseract was outside of time itself and given Schala's powers, she could affect the timestream because she wasn't part of it.

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« Reply #119 on: August 17, 2005, 10:16:34 am »
Well yeah. Well, In a way. The DBT is a dimension that has all the disgarded time lines. Schala would have to reach out of the DBT to Another/Home world to do anything, and she had to do it fast because Lavos was corrupting her.