Does the Entity exist?

[Sentenal]

Since Schala is thought to be one of the ones orchestrating the events of Chrono Cross, and since she is in the Tesseract, she has access to every timeline, every dimension.

One could argue that Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross happen simultaneously. If that's true, then Schala is able to change events in both adventures.

I don't think Schala is the entity, but that's just my way of trying to explain the notion.

In the Tesseract, she can't have access to every timeline or dimension. It is not exactally frozen like Sentenal said. All the disgarded timelines and dimensions are there. That is why they were able to be extracted (The Dead Sea) through the dimensional distortions. It's like a full rubbish bin. Lavos started pulling a metaphorical string that Chronopolis was connected to to get it back in time. By doing that, the bin moved backwards a little. When Lavos failed to get it to where he wanted, Chronopolis was released of the string, and the rubbish bin ricocheted and the Dead Sea went to the area where Chronopolis before (after the first TimeCrash obviousally).

Well anyway, thing's in the tesseract aren't frozen. Just stored and untouched. Everything in those dimensions in the tesseract does not have life or a soul, until they are put back into a timeline, etc. Lavos was supposed to be discarded, but did not freeze. Schala was gated to the Tesseract and was being used by Lavos..

Are you saying that Time still progresses in the DBT?  The reason I say "no" is because it is disconnected from the main time flow, discarded.  The is one huge timeline running, but with different branchs of dimension on it, such as reptite, home, and another.  They flow, because they are part of the timeline.  Discarded ones do not, because they are not part of it anymore.

And technically, its impossible for something discarded in the Terreract to naturally come back into the timeline.  Even the dead sea, which was a destroyed future, wasn't the exact same destroyed future as the one prior to Chrono defeating Lavos.  It was slightly different, practically the same, but not.  It just so happend to progress very similar to the original one.

[Daniel Krispin]

Since Schala is thought to be one of the ones orchestrating the events of Chrono Cross, and since she is in the Tesseract, she has access to every timeline, every dimension.

One could argue that Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross happen simultaneously. If that's true, then Schala is able to change events in both adventures.

I don't think Schala is the entity, but that's just my way of trying to explain the notion.

In the Tesseract, she can't have access to every timeline or dimension. It is not exactally frozen like Sentenal said. All the disgarded timelines and dimensions are there. That is why they were able to be extracted (The Dead Sea) through the dimensional distortions. It's like a full rubbish bin. Lavos started pulling a metaphorical string that Chronopolis was connected to to get it back in time. By doing that, the bin moved backwards a little. When Lavos failed to get it to where he wanted, Chronopolis was released of the string, and the rubbish bin ricocheted and the Dead Sea went to the area where Chronopolis before (after the first TimeCrash obviousally).

Well anyway, thing's in the tesseract aren't frozen. Just stored and untouched. Everything in those dimensions in the tesseract does not have life or a soul, until they are put back into a timeline, etc. Lavos was supposed to be discarded, but did not freeze. Schala was gated to the Tesseract and was being used by Lavos..

ZeaLitY once said something interesting - or at least I believe it was he - and that is that time does indeed flow in the Tesseract, but rather perpendicular to normal time. Thus, if one takes a linear coordinate system defined by our knowledge of time, it does indeed seem to be halted. But this is like looking at a piece of paper from the edge-side and saying it is a line, rather than the plane it is. It does not account for the other dimensions.

Are you saying that Time still progresses in the DBT?  The reason I say "no" is because it is disconnected from the main time flow, discarded.  The is one huge timeline running, but with different branchs of dimension on it, such as reptite, home, and another.  They flow, because they are part of the timeline.  Discarded ones do not, because they are not part of it anymore.

And technically, its impossible for something discarded in the Terreract to naturally come back into the timeline.  Even the dead sea, which was a destroyed future, wasn't the exact same destroyed future as the one prior to Chrono defeating Lavos.  It was slightly different, practically the same, but not.  It just so happend to progress very similar to the original one.

[Zaperking]

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@Sentenal:
I had always thought that time in the DBT was just waaaaay slower than our time. I mean like the DBT is a dimension of it's own, and inside the dimension are all these disgarded time lines that are just floating around and Schala and Lavos cannot access them, but Lavos could use them as information.

What I was trying to say is that because the DBT is a dimension, Schala had to use like the place where the Angelus Arrare point was going to be to get through the dimensions, since that looks like the weakest point anyway. I never said she could acctually enter time lines Oo. Maybe just Dimensions with time lines.

[DeweyisOverrated]

Is there actual proof that time actually runs slower in the DBT?  From what I'm understanding, the only evidence is that "oh well it'd be way too long for Schala to hold out for 13,000+ years, so it must be going slower than that."

[Sentenal]

I think daniel made a bit of an error in his post.  I didn't say this, and it sounds like him:

ZeaLitY once said something interesting - or at least I believe it was he - and that is that time does indeed flow in the Tesseract, but rather perpendicular to normal time. Thus, if one takes a linear coordinate system defined by our knowledge of time, it does indeed seem to be halted. But this is like looking at a piece of paper from the edge-side and saying it is a line, rather than the plane it is. It does not account for the other dimensions.

Anyway...

Miguel said something about Time standing still, but I forget the exact quote, or if its even relavant.

[pokemon_45_79_1]

I believe the entity really does exist because the entity is really Schala and the time devourer keep in mind that Magus does not end up finding Schala because she has already merged with it.

Go release the person who is inprisoned. Bethasaur

[pokemon_45_79_1]

I believe the entity really does exist because the entity is really Schala and the time devourer keep in mind that Magus does not end up finding Schala because she has already merged with it.

Go release the person who is inprisoned. Bethasaur

THe time egg has the ability to break the bonds of time. Bethasaur

[Zaperking]

WTF.... Schala isn't the entity. She's most likely a past arbiter.

I've started thinking about this, And I don't think that the Planet was actually the entity that created the gates. I'm starting to think now that it was the planets dream, but a greater force than it caused the gates to open up, and summon Dinopolis in from the other dimension.

The Planet was never stated as the entity in CT.... There is no stated entity in CC.... But we know that what's going on is as if it's the planets dream....
For one, in the time line that Crono is in, it should be impossible for the planet if it was the entity to create timegates or interfer in any way. Why? The planet had lost over 65,0000,000 years of energy thanks to Lavos, who used it up fighting Crono and co. The planet has no way of getting it back, but can regenerate over time into the future. Because it's a bit limp. I do not believe that the planet itself could have possibly summoned Dinopolis itself. It's like saying that the Earth is acctually sentinel, which would mean it would need some sort of incarnation, and it should have done that to stop Lavos itself. If the planet has enough energy to summon Dinopolis out of a dimension, causing it to be the missing piece for those dimension, the planet should have been able to handle Lavos by itself.

Lets say that Zurvan did it

[AuraTwilight]

Because it's a bit limp. I do not believe that the planet itself could have possibly summoned Dinopolis itself. It's like saying that the Earth is acctually sentinel, which would mean it would need some sort of incarnation, and it should have done that to stop Lavos itself. If the planet has enough energy to summon Dinopolis out of a dimension, causing it to be the missing piece for those dimension, the planet should have been able to handle Lavos by itself.

Uh.....no.

Since when does the Planet need an avatar to be sentient? And Lavos probably has something protecting it from the Planet's power. A basic survival technique for his race, assuming all planets are sentient like Earth.

[Zaperking]

So do you really think that the Earth would have like a face or something? You look from outside of space and you can see eyes and a nose? Everytime theres an Earth quake, the Earth is smiling? Pfft.
It was an example if it was sentient. We don't know. These flashbacks could have been truely because it was already on the brink of death. I'd probably think that if Lavos isn't sentient, then the planet isn't either, and it's simply a survival thing.

[Daniel Krispin]

So do you really think that the Earth would have like a face or something? You look from outside of space and you can see eyes and a nose? Everytime theres an Earth quake, the Earth is smiling? Pfft.
It was an example if it was sentient. We don't know. These flashbacks could have been truely because it was already on the brink of death. I'd probably think that if Lavos isn't sentient, then the planet isn't either, and it's simply a survival thing.

True. In most myths, such ancient beings as Gaia have no anthropomorphic representation.

However, I would still think that it is near certain that the planet is the Entity, as it is almost explicitly stated as such in CT. The only conversation in which this term entity is used is CT in the forest scene. There Ayla likens the times and gates they have seen to the flashbacks of someone on the verge of death, and theorizes that some thing wanted them to see all this, as if they were important points in its life, being remembered at death. Only in connection to this is the Entity ever mentioned. Thus, if there even IS an Entity, it must be that it has these properties, namely that it is on the verge of death, and these times are important to it. Now, the only two things that fulfill this last are Lavos and the Earth. In each Lavos arose, causing peril and injury to the Earth. But only the Earth is in danger of death. Thus these are its flashbacks, its death throes. I think any other possibility very unlikely.

Oh, and in a belated reply to Sentenal... yes, I believe that was me that said that, and that I made a mistake in my posting. Who else, after all, would say 'edge-side' in that manner?

[AuraTwilight]

Earth doesn't have to have a face or avatar to be sentient. Examples of nonanthropomorphized sentient life forms would include:

Morganna from .hack//sign.

XANA from Code Lyoko.

The Complete Philosopher's Stone from FullMetal Alchemist.

Excalibur from the Tales of Merlin.

Epoch.

[Daniel Krispin]

Remember that in anthropomorphic I mean not only not appear as a human, but not even having the same way of thinking as a human being.

I would say such a term is better represented by such things as Tiamat in old Babylonian, Chaos, Gaia, Eros, and Tartaros in Greek, and so forth.

[Burning Zeppelin]

ffix gaia or terra doesnt have an anthorororormorphic figure as well...just to let you know

[Zaperking]

Maybe because Square doesn't like having their games have that shit. Maybe as I suggested, theres an entity outside of the planet. And guess what, Fate intended everything to happen the way it did. So Fate does exist. Their lives are pre determined, even Miguel said so atop Geddon.
It's Fate's choice to have the planet die once, dream etc. Crono change the future, Time Crash, Serge appears threatens existance of time and space, etc. etc. etc. So in any case, Serge is fated to win anyway XD