Differences in Radical Dreamers and CT and CC

[Zaperking]

I know that alot of people usually have been connecting CT to RD and RD to CC to make theories more possible, but I just wanted to point a few things out.
Okay, I just finished playing through 3 of the scenarios in Radical Dreamers, and I realised a few things.

*Spekkio and the FF aren't the only things that can unlock magic in people. The sunflower seed unlocked Kid's power.

*It is stated that Magil's eye colour is blue and that he is beautiful and very handsome (clashes with the warped Magus feel like how he had red eyes and looked like a dead elf Oo in CT)

*The Entity and Goddess of Fate aren't the only dieties and powers in the Chrono World. There is the Moon Goddess, the Fallen angel Armycot (Forgot the exact spelling name) etc.

*Schala was stated to have been the direct cause of the fall of Zeal. Somehow she survived the Ocean palace, and once thrown into the Mammon Machine, came in contact with the Frozen Flame. There, the Flame granted her greatest wish to escape all her guilt and reincarnated her (well rewound the hands of time on her) and sent her into the future.

Thoughts? Or anything you wish to say or add your own opinions of a few of these?

[V_Translanka]

*Spekkio and the FF aren't the only things that can unlock magic in people. The sunflower seed unlocked Kid's power.

In the scenario Kid & the Sunflower, Kid is in fact Schala. Because of this, she would have already known Magic.

*It is stated that Magil's eye colour is blue and that he is beautiful and very handsome (clashes with the warped Magus feel like how he had red eyes and looked like a dead elf Oo in CT)

I've always thought that any added Mystic-ness to Magus was merely illusionary/Magic.

[DeweyisOverrated]

*Spekkio and the FF aren't the only things that can unlock magic in people. The sunflower seed unlocked Kid's power.

In the scenario Kid & the Sunflower, Kid is in fact Schala. Because of this, she would have already known Magic.

Well, someone's either mistaking, or lying to us here.  It can't be both.  If she's Kid, then it unlocks magic, but she's not Schala.  If she Schala, then obviously it doesn't unlock anything.  I've only played part of RD, so someone answer this:  Does Kid grab the sunflower seed in every scenario, or just the one mentioned above?

[AuraTwilight]

Meh. Radical Dreamers is in an alternate reality anyway, so it's irrelevent. Lynx isn't even a lynx, for crying out loud.

[V_Translanka]

Yeah, but CC is an alternate reality too. And Lynx in CC's real name (i.e. Japanese) is the same as Lynx in RD. Demiforce just changed all names to names used in current NA versions of w/e Chrono game. So thus Gil becomes Magil and Menemoko (or w/e it was) becomes Lynx.

[Chrono'99]

*Spekkio and the FF aren't the only things that can unlock magic in people. The sunflower seed unlocked Kid's power.

Sneff also got his magic skills unlocked by an 'ogre' he met (Spekkio? Sprigg?).

*It is stated that Magil's eye colour is blue and that he is beautiful and very handsome (clashes with the warped Magus feel like how he had red eyes and looked like a dead elf Oo in CT)

In which scenario is this quote? I believe Magil isn't Magus in some comic scenarios. Anyway Magus turned handsome Glenn into a frog, so he can obviously change his own appearance.

*Schala was stated to have been the direct cause of the fall of Zeal. Somehow she survived the Ocean palace, and once thrown into the Mammon Machine, came in contact with the Frozen Flame. There, the Flame granted her greatest wish to escape all her guilt and reincarnated her (well rewound the hands of time on her) and sent her into the future.

Yeah it's one of the biggest difference with CC. It's never stated that the FF was in the Mammon Machine in CC.

[Legend of the Past]

In heaven's name, stop saying that RD isn't a canon source for Chron knowledge. It's the same world, with the same rules and the same locals. Everything that happaned after Zeal's fall is exactly the same is it is in CT and in CC, because like Lucca said, the real changes began with Zeal's fall. Anything before that happaned the same way in the Lavos, Keystone 1 and Keystone 2 timelines. That means the FF was there already, in all three of those timelines. Schala was the source of the problems, because the Flame woulden't react without her. Had she decided not to activate the Machine, Zeal would not of fallen. Schala felt guilty in Cross' history, too: The one difference is she never got a chance to reincarnate completly as Kid. Only a part of her did. That part is CC's Kid, and when you free Schala she reached some kind of enlightment, so she dosen't feel guilty anymore.

Oh, and Lynx's japanese name is Yamaneko. It means Copycat (Or so I've heard), which makes no sense in RD, but unless I'm terribly mistaken, he was called Yamaneko in the Japanese version, too... So, yeah. Maybe they called him Copycat because he copies a cat, not because he's a cat who's copying someone else. His face did seem a bit feline to me, but other then that he's very swift and agile, as well as deadly and cunning. The perfect hunter, if you will.

[TepesX]

I've gotten all the scenario's with different endings on most of them.. RD is definetly a different dimension then CT/CC.

[Legend of the Past]

I've gotten all the scenario's with different endings on most of them.. RD is definetly a different dimension then CT/CC.

Timeline, not dimension! Stop using all those stuff you see only in RD as source to think it's a different world. It's stupid, for the sole fact CT and CC were never specific on small detail. RD is different because it's FIRST PERSON. You hear thoughts and memories, and it's a lot small scale. So they fill the game with information you woulden't of seen. If the real world was a video-game, they woulden't make a refference to, say, Bill Gates or whoever. But they still exist, you just never heard of them. It's a big world out there, you know.

[AuraTwilight]

Yeah, but CC is an alternate reality too.

Um....no? >_>

In which scenario is this quote? I believe Magil isn't Magus in some comic scenarios. Anyway Magus turned handsome Glenn into a frog, so he can obviously change his own appearance.

I remember this. It's in the main scenario at the part where you hide in the library

Kid: *after looking in disgust at a picture of Riddel* pedophile.

Oh, and Lynx's japanese name is Yamaneko. It means Copycat

No, it directly translates into Lynx.


As for all this timeline/dimension debating crap, I felt, when I completed the main scenario, that RD and CC are a timeline split, where the defining event is wether Schala got rebirthed or sent to the DBT. The deciding factor for everything.

[TepesX]

I've gotten all the scenario's with different endings on most of them.. RD is definetly a different dimension then CT/CC.

Timeline, not dimension! Stop using all those stuff you see only in RD as source to think it's a different world. It's stupid, for the sole fact CT and CC were never specific on small detail. RD is different because it's FIRST PERSON. You hear thoughts and memories, and it's a lot small scale. So they fill the game with information you woulden't of seen. If the real world was a video-game, they woulden't make a refference to, say, Bill Gates or whoever. But they still exist, you just never heard of them. It's a big world out there, you know.

Blah, that's what I meant, sorry. Was reading something else and typed the wrong thing.

[Chrono'99]

In heaven's name, stop saying that RD isn't a canon source for Chron knowledge. It's the same world, with the same rules and the same locals. Everything that happaned after Zeal's fall is exactly the same is it is in CT and in CC, because like Lucca said, the real changes began with Zeal's fall. Anything before that happaned the same way in the Lavos, Keystone 1 and Keystone 2 timelines. That means the FF was there already, in all three of those timelines. Schala was the source of the problems, because the Flame woulden't react without her. Had she decided not to activate the Machine, Zeal would not of fallen. Schala felt guilty in Cross' history, too: The one difference is she never got a chance to reincarnate completly as Kid. Only a part of her did. That part is CC's Kid, and when you free Schala she reached some kind of enlightment, so she dosen't feel guilty anymore.

Oh, and Lynx's japanese name is Yamaneko. It means Copycat (Or so I've heard), which makes no sense in RD, but unless I'm terribly mistaken, he was called Yamaneko in the Japanese version, too... So, yeah. Maybe they called him Copycat because he copies a cat, not because he's a cat who's copying someone else. His face did seem a bit feline to me, but other then that he's very swift and agile, as well as deadly and cunning. The perfect hunter, if you will.

Yama means wild and Neko means cat. Yamaneko translates to wild cat... lynx being synonymous with wild cat anyway.

Anyway, RD isn't canon. CC is canon because the staff plannedright from the start to make a Chrono sequel. That wasn't the case with RD, they just made a random text adventure and decided at the end to put some Chrono stuff just for kicks (Kato or someone states it in an interview).

RD is a totally different world, it's not just a 'what if' or alternative world. The biggest difference is that the FF was in the Mammon Machine in RD, that wasn't the case in CC as far as we know. The other discrepancies in RD are that everyone can use magic, some lands that don't exist in CT/CC exist (Regionna and Regiorra, Gerzbuele or w/e, etc.), and I think here it was Acacia which destroyed Guardia instead of Porre...

[Legend of the Past]

No split, it's an extension of the ending where Magus lives and Crono dosen't (Which is what should of really happaned, but for some reason the CT team likes him, unlike me). That's why Kid got a complete Time Egg from Lucca. She probably kept it and gave it to Kid, from fear she might get killed by Lynx, who probably approached her about the Time Egg earlier on. He then found out Kid was the sole survivor of the Orphanege incident, and started to lure her into his sceheme.

The main cause for this not being able to be a split is no one time travelled to that point and tried to push her away from the gate or something. Kid split the dimensions in Cross by use of a Time Egg. No mention of such an event in RD. It just says that Schala was really sad and got turned into a baby by the Flame.

Oh, and work on your quotes.

[Chrono'99]

No split, it's an extension of the ending where Magus lives and Crono dosen't

No it's not. There are differences even before that point: in the RD dimension, Melchior was the one who forged the Einlanzer, as a 'twin sword' to his Masamune. In CC, the Einlanzer was forged by Dragonians much later and its relation to the Masamune is only symbolic.

[TepesX]

No split, it's an extension of the ending where Magus lives and Crono dosen't

No it's not. There are differences even before that point: in the RD dimension, Melchior was the one who forged the Einlanzer, as a 'twin sword' to his Masamune. In CC, the Einlanzer was forged by Dragonians much later and its relation to the Masamune is only symbolic.

Where does it say Melchior forged it in RD?