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RhageSolace

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« on: August 13, 2005, 12:12:40 am »
No matter who or what you think the entity is... (the planet, alfador, a Deity, the player... etc.)...   what was it's purpose?  I know, to guide the CT heroes to the point at which they could defeat Lavos, thus creating the Keystone Timelines.  But why?  I don't know if this has been discussed already, but what if the Entity wasn't the good force that many assume it to be?

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2005, 12:17:21 am »
Well, I think the Entities purpose isn't too hard to figure out:  To survive.  Most believe its the planet, and the planet would want to survive.

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2005, 12:37:52 am »
Of course to survive, but I meant on a grander scale, if there indeed is one.  There may not be, but the planet (if you go with the Gaia Theory) is being harmed by Lavos in CT, and it's evident that all the nature references in CC give the general idea that humans aren't that much better for the health of the planet.  It's been said that humans act on a whole, much like parasites to the planet.  Pulling Dinopolis back to counter-balance Chronopolis would've worked really well to help things get back to nature, if Chronopolis hadn't given the lizard people the unholy beatdown.  In the planet's eyes, Lavos was a parasite, and the "Progeny of Lavos" were also parasites.  What a clever move, to turn your two enemies against each other, and making it so that the weaker side wins.

If you don't buy that the planet is the entity, then forget all that stuff up there about nature not being too happy with humanity.  Instead, consider the fact that the entity pretty much manipulated the CT party into doing it's dirty work.  It couldn't manipulate a being such as Lavos, which also happened to be a threat to the entity's life/existence, so it had it removed.  Anyways, the whole thing is just an idea...  an anti-human Entity.

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2005, 01:50:59 am »
If it were anti-human and knew that both sides would kill it, then it would rather want to die at the hands of Lavos, wouldn't it?

I originally said metaphorical hands but then realized I was thinking of the shell and that the real lavos had hands.  dear me.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2005, 02:03:41 am »
I don't think the Entity really has a "purpose".  I think it just has a goal of making the people the live under it happy, or able to live.

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2005, 02:15:46 am »
I don't think it either extreme of love and hatred.  I think it was just apathetic and felt threatened and used the humans that it supported to save itself.  No real love/hate relationship in that is how I see it.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2005, 12:45:13 pm »
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In the planet's eyes, Lavos was a parasite, and the "Progeny of Lavos" were also parasites.


No, that was the Dragon God's opinion, and he was corrupted, so he might no longer be a credible source of information for what the planet feels.

Anyway, as for the Entity's purpose, it doesn't care one way or the other about the life of the planet as long as it can grow. That's it. Deal with it. There is no grander scale. Want a planet with a higher purpose? Go read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2005, 10:50:31 pm »
It also might also depend on what you would consider to be a part of the planet. Is the planet's ecosystem part of the planet? The animals? The plants? The air? Just the soil? Perhaps just the planet's energy?

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2005, 01:55:28 am »
The Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy sayes energy cannot be created or destroyed, so the planet has to be more than just that or it wouldn't have to do anything.  Unless you're talking on a super spiritual level and energy is more like chi.  Which I guess you are...

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2005, 03:55:18 am »
The Entity's purpose was basically to rid of Lavos and keep the Chrono World in peace. The Entity guided everything that happened in CT, but not in CC. That was all set up by Belthesar.

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2005, 09:22:20 am »
I don't think it has to have any purpose. It's just a living being (or a god-like being or whatever). We don't ask what is Fritz's "purpose", he just exists and do what he can to live...

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2005, 09:04:37 am »
I was always under the assumption that the Entity was the planet itself (inanimate objects can have souls within them in CT/CC, just look at Masamune) and that the entire saga of CT/CC was the Planet vs. Lavos, with the people on the planet caught in the middle.

The Planet, like any other living being, wished to survive. Lavos is a bane to planets (and as Time Devourer, entire realities), so really, I think Lavos and the Planet are very similar. They both wish to prosper, they both can control what happens to the beings around them, like space is an ocean and they're creatures living in the water.

Sure you've guys have probably heard it a million times, but as a n00b I'm just giving my perspective. :P

The Planet and Lavos are two organisms that are fighting for survival.

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2005, 11:52:25 pm »
Quote from: Parallax
I was always under the assumption that the Entity was the planet itself (inanimate objects can have souls within them in CT/CC, just look at Masamune) and that the entire saga of CT/CC was the Planet vs. Lavos, with the people on the planet caught in the middle.

The Planet and Lavos are two organisms that are fighting for survival.


Here, here, fellow n00b.  Once i was finally able to wrap my head around the events in Chrono Cross, I came to the same conclusion.  

The Entity, whom I believe to be the Planet, and Lavos are two greater than human (though I stop short of  calling the 'gods')  playing a calculated game of winner take all (and I mean ALL) chess.  

Allow me to elaborate, using the terminology found here in the Compendium:

The Reptite Timeline:  The Entity sets its pieces on the board

The Lavos Timeline: Lavos sets his pieces upon the board.  The Entity is placed in Check.

Keystone T-1 Timeline:  After some careful re-organizing, and turning a few pawns into queens  (so to speak) Lavos is now placed in Check.

Keystone T-2 Timeline: The events of The Dipolis War flood the game board with more pieces for Lavos.  The Planet is in check again, and all seems lost.

Mid-Dimension Timelines:  Belthasar's tampering to set up Project Kid gives the Entity more pieces to play with.  Here is where my theory falls apart though, since this was not the will of the Entity (or was it?)  Home and Another World Split.  The game is in stalemate.

Home/Another World (aka: the events of Chrono Cross):  After a series of zany adventures the Chrono Cross is made, and the Time Devourer is denied existence.  CheckMATE, motherf_cker!


But one has to wonder, why did the Entity go through all that, just to leave the Progeny of Lavos in charge?  Does it have a choice in the matter?  And if so, would the next logical step be getting rid of humans, in favor of demi-humans, dwarfs, fairies and so forth?  Hmmmmm….

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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2005, 12:08:13 am »
I believe the Entity allowed humans to live because it made a mistake with Dinopolis. It tried to balance out Chronopolis' existence, but FATE overtook Dinopolis. Thus basically eradicating the Reptite Timeline. The peak of their evolution was defeated by FATE in a timeline controlled by Lavos.

Well humans are the lesser of two (or three) evils, so it helped them take on Lavos and the Time Devourer.

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2005, 04:39:53 am »
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We don't ask what is Fritz's "purpose", he just exists and do what he can to live...


The reason we dont ask about Fritz's purpose, Chrono is because he doesnt have such a bigger role and mystery surrounding him, unlike the Entity.

And seriously, is there any offical statement saying the Entity even exists, its something ive been questioning for a while.