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Daniel Krispin

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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2005, 01:33:30 pm »
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If you think that a remake would seriously change anything about the originals, you're retarded. The originals will always be there. You can't tarnish something by making something new that looks like it only better.


Is that in reply to me? Because that's not what I intended to imply in what I said. I am very much of the understanding that a remake does nothing to dimish the original, even as any additions to a series do not take away from its forerunners. Take Star Wars for example. While I like the new movies, I, as most people, do not think they even near the old ones. There was a certain magic in the presentation that all the new graphics cannot compensate for and, indeed, may well depreciate from. However, I'm always content that, so long as Lucas doesn't go back and change the originals too much, they'll always be there. For that reason, I'm looking forward to the Star Wars TV shows. If they're good, wonderful. If not, we still have The Empire Strikes Back. But I know that the old reputation is near impossible to live up to and, for example, if someone were to outright remake Star Wars, it wouldn't work. The same applies for the Chrono series, I suppose. A remake would be devilishly hard to do rightly, so I would opt for a sequel.

I just think that it might well be a flawed enterprise doomed to ruin due to the fact that fans are hard to please in these matters, and the fact that idea, good though it may sound on paper - to borrow the phrase - may not work out well in real. Part of the magic of Chrono Trigger was the presentation. I'm not sure that can be duplicated as well a second time.

So, I'm not concerned about it ruining or shaming the old game. I'm just thinking about what would have the far best chance of being greatest for the series.

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« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2005, 05:35:57 pm »
I dunno, I kind of liked the hella new graphics and everything.  Probably the only part I objected to in the SEs was when Greedo shot first.  The DVD releases look phony when they have Han dodging.  Other than that, it's all fine by me, even inserting Hayden into the ROTJ finale.  I certainly like the graphical revamp they received, both for the SEs and again for the DVD release; the technology the characters have to deal with is supposed to be ZOMGAWSUM, and the CG reflects that.

As for a Chrono remake, everyone was getting hyped up for CTR and CTRP before SE totally pwned them; there would be at least some enthusiasm for a CT remake.  Actually, there'd be quite a lot, but as has been stated, unless the original designers are involved there's no way to ensure its quality.  Look at all the crappy Hollywood remakes of movies that have been rearing their ugly heads lately; they're cashing in on a name, and SE has fairly well proved that they subscribe to this mentality as well, because it's easy money.  

CT does have a large cult following, but it's nothing against FFVII, or just Final Fantasy in general; half the FF fans out there are mindless, foaming zombies.  Hell, compare it to Star Wars, the largest fan community in the world.  Basically, George Lucas has the Midas touch; anything he puts out, people are going to buy, whether it's good or not.  It's just a fact of life.  There are plenty of smart people in the Star Wars community, people like Dr. Saxton and Mike Wong among them, but there are also plenty of retards.  If Chrono had a fanbase that size, we might very well be complaining about SE rehashing Chrono Trigger over and over and discussing a petition to make a new Final Fantasy game.  But as it stands, Final Fantasy has the Midas touch of the game world, probably second only to Zelda.  At one time, Chrono did have this touch, but then Chrono Cross was released.  All the rehash-loving morons, who by what could only be described as an act of God managed to finish CT, instantly bought CC and decided it was crap because it wasn't the same game.  This happened to Zelda as well, actually; Adventure of Link sold well, but people hated it because it used a different combat system and it didn't have all the puzzles and everything in the dungeons.  For ALttP, they went back to the old formula, and everyone raves and says OMFG BEST GAEM EVAR LOLZ!11!  That also happened to Final Fantasy VIII.  I personally didn't like FFVIII.  In fact, I hated the combat system quite a lot, but it's by no means the worst game ever.  Hell, even Star Wars isn't immune; when they introduced the New Jedi Order series, people decried it for the new concepts and tone it brought to that universe.  That also happened many times over in the numerous games attached to the license.  But it's Star Wars, and like I said, people will buy it even if they hate it.  Hell, I'll buy it even if I hate it.  I never said I was immune to being a zombie.  It just so happens that I tend not to hate it, but that's beside the point.

If anything will definitely kill the Chrono series, it isn't rehash; rehash will sell like hotcakes.  This may seem to support the "remake" point of view, but a remake is no more immune to this than a sequel is; if a remake isn't a complete and utter rehash in today's market, it won't sell well, and it's impossible for a conscientious artist to ever just do a rehash, as Kato and Mitsuda themselves have said.  This is why they either wouldn't be involved in a remake or wouldn't put their full effort into it, resulting in a half-finished product that would definitely put the final nail in Chrono's coffin.

It's innovation that poses a danger from a marketing standpoint, and SE realizes this.  Inventors, for example, have always taken risks.  Einstein took a risk in writing his theses.  Bell took a risk in inventing the telephone.  Innovation is what was introduced in Chrono Cross, and look what happened there.  As sad as that is, it's the state of the market today.

My personal preference would be to have it all, a remake and a sequel.  The sequel would definitely come first; if that sold well, then Kato and Mitsuda could do a CT remake with a clear conscience, and thanks to them we'd get something awesome out of it.

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« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2005, 05:43:59 pm »
How about we just let the Chrono developers decide by themselves?

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« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2005, 05:46:41 pm »
Well, the developers will decide by themselves.  We're just debating the pros and cons of it.

Just think of classic movies, and if you would want them remade.  Would you want the classic trilogy of Star Wars remade?  (I wouldn't consider special edition as remaking it).  I think most people would say no to that.  Most people like the originals, because of the memories it brought them, and reminding them about that point in their lives.  They wouldn't want any of that changed.

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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2005, 06:05:11 pm »
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Well, the developers will decide by themselves.  We're just debating the pros and cons of it.

Just think of classic movies, and if you would want them remade.  Would you want the classic trilogy of Star Wars remade?  (I wouldn't consider special edition as remaking it).  I think most people would say no to that.  Most people like the originals, because of the memories it brought them, and reminding them about that point in their lives.  They wouldn't want any of that changed.


Well, I did want the special effects update, but I didn't want them to change the storyline or anything.  What does that count as, a remake or an update?  They did use the original footage in the SEs; they just had it restored and added some stuff.

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« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2005, 09:25:07 pm »
Daniel, I think I made that as a general comment.

Hadriel, I really don't think that the Chrono series was more popular before the release of Chrono Cross...If anything, the fanbase grew and more newschoolers took note at the series...Before it came out only a select few (awesome) oldschool RPGers knew & loved Chrono Trigger. It was only one (awesome) RPG among a whole slew of (awesome) SNES games after all...

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« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2005, 09:46:04 pm »
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Hadriel, I really don't think that the Chrono series was more popular before the release of Chrono Cross...If anything, the fanbase grew and more newschoolers took note at the series...Before it came out only a select few (awesome) oldschool RPGers knew & loved Chrono Trigger. It was only one (awesome) RPG among a whole slew of (awesome) SNES games after all...


I highly doubt that line of reasoning; the hype CT received was IMMENSE.  People were saying it was going to blow FFVI out of the water before it was released.

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« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2005, 12:54:51 am »
Immense in terms of the pre-mainstream RPG crowd, perhaps...But that's just the point...RPGs did not skyrocket in popularity until, sad to say, FFVII & the 32-Bit Sony era.

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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2005, 03:11:49 am »
It was still hella popular before Cross came out.  If we assume that people began to notice CT shortly after FFVII came out, that leaves three full years in between that and CC.

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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2005, 05:41:21 am »
I don't really think it did become 'hella' popular then...heck, I don't even know if I could call it 'hella' popular now...I mean, there are a few Chrono-based forums, but I just don't think that the Chrono community is, much less has been, very large...

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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2005, 09:14:44 pm »
Now he way I see it, I'd want a new game, but also think it would be completely badass to see Crono losing his soul to a 3D Lavos. So why can't they just make both a sequel and remake? Or they could make a sequel, then let the Ressurection Project continue production, but signed under SE, so that they could still make some cash off it. Why are we even talkin' about this? I thought this was about a petition. Anyway, how so we sign this petition?

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2005, 11:31:07 pm »
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I am probably not going to make a titanic effort to help this myself, but it would seem relatively easy for many people to collect several signatures. Currently, propagator is finalizing the verbage; afterwards, the proposed plan is to give it as a pdf or html file to anyone who'd like to collect signatures for printing. These people can take it to comic or anime cons, churches, schools, etc. to collect as many signatures as possible and mail them back to 'teh Schala's mailing address. After enough are collected, 'teh Schala' will be in contact with SE PR and can notify them that a huge petition is on the way. A statement will probably result.

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2005, 09:58:11 pm »
so once its ready, he'll post it on here?

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2005, 10:49:54 pm »
Either that or he will find a better way of notifiying everybody.

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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2005, 11:51:18 am »
If they did a remake of CT, I'd like to see something similar to the Chrono Trigger: Resurrection project. To me, that looked friggin' awesome. I would love to play a remade, 3D version of CT. The only thing I would really addin would be the ability to walk around / visit 1999 A.D. before Lavos came and destroyed it. It would be very interesting to see how life developed after 1000 A.D.
Also, the ability to travel back to places that had been destroyed, Zeal for example. And cmon, wouldn't it be cool to fly the Blackbird instead of shooting it down?

More than that though, I really want to see another CT game, Break for example. It saddens me to see that it may be dying out. I feel like Crono and the crew are like the last few humans in 2003 A.D., left to die and hopless. But, a new game could be like the Seed of Life that Doan plants. It could breathe new hope and new life into the series.