The power of Schala's pendant, Epoch in 12,000 BC

[Lordchander]

As in make it ya goon!

I know! Im just kidding around!  

Oh and even presuming that he had the plans to make Epoch, that doesn't mean he'd have all the available resources right there at his fingertips right when he got there...

I suppose, though u might be surpriesed considering its a ruins of a giant dome, there might be some scrap metal still lying around (come to think of it, some is an understatement... ). And some machines may still be just working (considering the factory was almost completely up and running) so Belthesar could've used them to weld pieces together and such.

[V_Translanka]

Well of course the Factory was...I mean, Mother Brain was around trying to enslave/destroy the human race...The way I see it, Belthasar was severely limited as to where he could go to get anything...Sure, scrap metal may be plentiful, but heaploads of scrap metal do not a time machine make.

[Lordchander]

And I suppose he wouldn't have any magic, so thats ruled out...ah! What if the Epoch as we know it wasnt the original Epoch Belthesar had planned. I know that might sound a bit crazy but maybe he was limited to that because thats all the scrap metal and machines could do for it. Maybe he picked apart various machines and used them inside the Epoch. Casue we dont really know whats under that time machines hood.

[Zaperking]

He'd have magic, but serverly weakened, like I believe that of Lucca, Marle and Crono etc. Why? Cuz even Melchior a slight form of magic left.

Also, the Nu is immortal and survived like 14,000 years. at the pyramid, it says that it's been waiting like xxxxx years for Belthasar, and that it'd see him soon.

[V_Translanka]

Wouldn't that be a different Nu though? I've always had this crazy idea that it was Belthasar who originally sent the Nu through various time periods in his original time traveling tests...or at least some of them? Maybe not...but w/e...

[Legend of the Past]

A. Dalton mentions Belthasar was working on something like the Epoch in the Commons in 12,000 B.C. right after he decides to take over what's left of the world. It's safe to presume that Belthasar WAS working on the Epoch, and considering the lack of resources he had in the future, as well as him growing old, senile and mad, it's safe to say it's the same Epoch in 12,000 B.C. that was gated with him. Due to his lack of resources he was only able to make it capable of time travel, however his "Wings of Time" didn't even have wings.

B. He had a very powerful level of Zealian magic. He was able to make the illusion of Viper Manor in Terra Tower. This is done in RD's Viper Manor in one of the scenarios, when you can't find the doorway out of Viper Manor.

[Chrono'99]

B. He had a very powerful level of Zealian magic. He was able to make the illusion of Viper Manor in Terra Tower. This is done in RD's Viper Manor in one of the scenarios, when you can't find the doorway out of Viper Manor.

This isn't the same Belthasar and we don't know if it's magic.

[AuraTwilight]

Depends on the situation around him. That could have changed while Crono and crew were out in other timelines. He could have seen a human die pointlessly and just lost it from that single tradgedy.

I'm sorry, but this really bugged me. Belthasar is a Guru, so he must have one hell of a willpower. Not to mention that a single human life isn't anything to cry over compared to what Queen Zeal did. It would take him years to go insane like everyone else.

[Naz]

Perhaps Belthasar felt responsible for the Ocean Palace incident, I've always thought it was him that made the Mammon Machine. That could have given him severe grief for his people, which is probably why he mentions Schala in his psychotic state.

[Chrono'99]

Perhaps Belthasar felt responsible for the Ocean Palace incident, I've always thought it was him that made the Mammon Machine. That could have given him severe grief for his people, which is probably why he mentions Schala in his psychotic state.

It is stated that Melchior was the one who made the Mammon Machine.

[SilentMartyr]

Why wouldn't the Epoch have followed Belthasar to 2300? Dalton recognized the Epoch in the commons, so it had to have been near finished for him to have been able to recognize it. Most Likely Belthasar has to finish the final touches on the Epoch and then it was finished. By the time the teens first meet him, he had it finished and was programming the Nu.

[Legend of the Past]

This isn't the same Belthasar

Okay.. So let's see... They look the same... Talk the same... Walk the same.. Dress the same way... Come from the same place... Born to the same parents... Knew, up to one point, exactly the same thing and got teleported to the same era... Yep, same person! You see, it's the same Belthasar, but he's been through different experiences. He still has magic in one future, why shoulden't he have it in another one?

we don't know if it's magic

mag·ic Pronunciation (mjk)
n.
1. The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.

2.
a.  The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.
b. The charms, spells, and rituals so used.

Whoever it was (Gamge, I think he's called?) seemed to be able to completly make the exist seem to disppear so powerfully it seemed like it physically wasn't there. Belthasar made an entire room. Sounds to me like they manipulated the enviorment... And to repeat what I quoted just now...

1. The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.

[Chrono'99]

I know I know, but you were speaking about Zealian magic, and I'm speaking about magic as it is described in CT, not "magic" as in "something supernatural". Else everything would be magic in the Chrono world... And Belthasar could have created the room illusion with technology anyway.

[Legend of the Past]

With what resources, precisly?

[V_Translanka]

Do we even know it was Belthasar that created that room? I mean, are we also assuming that he created the ghost children?

Why wouldn't the Epoch have followed Belthasar to 2300?

Because it's mentioned that Belthasar was working on the Epoch, correct? It doesn't say he was finished with it...