The "Entity" or the "Planet" which one?

[Lordchander]

Damn this thing has been bothering me for a while now. Everyone goes on about the Entity right? Yet some say the Planet is the Entity. Now I always assumed the Entity was a figure very similar to what God in the Bible is: An immortal being outside of the flow of time and dimensions. So which one is it? The Entity or the Planet? Or are they 2 different entities (without the capital) altogether?

Your thoughts?

[Chrono'99]

My thought is that the Entity can't be an "immortal" being.

[Lordchander]

Why not?

[V_Translanka]

Because the whole proposition of the Entity's existence in the first place stems from the Entity not being immortal...it comes from the Entity's ultimate, untimely destruction in fact.

Pretty much it's...

the Entity=the Planet

&

the Entity=/=immortal

[Zaperking]

But if there's a religion in the Chrono Universe, and a God, he can very well be the entity.

For instance. If a God created the Earth and civilization, and then Lavos landed and started destroying what he made, he'd need to save it no matter what.

Also, THE PLANET IS DEAD IN 2400! And if the Entity is dead in any time, it can't change it's past. So an outside power has to do it. Also, like WTF, the Reptilian Dimension also has the Planet. If the Planet is the entity, then the Reptilian Dimension's Planet would be like "WTF YOU BASTARD! HOW DARE YOU TAKE AWAY MY CIVILIZATION! FOK%^&#$&$" etc!

[AuraTwilight]

Wow, you guys. This should've been simple. Haven't any of you read up on Anthropology?

Damn this thing has been bothering me for a while now. Everyone goes on about the Entity right? Yet some say the Planet is the Entity. Now I always assumed the Entity was a figure very similar to what God in the Bible is: An immortal being outside of the flow of time and dimensions. So which one is it? The Entity or the Planet? Or are they 2 different entities (without the capital) altogether?

They are the same. The terms are interchangable.

But if there's a religion in the Chrono Universe, and a God, he can very well be the entity.

No, because how the hell can God die?

For instance. If a God created the Earth and civilization, and then Lavos landed and started destroying what he made, he'd need to save it no matter what.

If there's no fate in Chrono Trigger, I guess it's safe to assume there's no "god"

Also, THE PLANET IS DEAD IN 2400! And if the Entity is dead in any time, it can't change it's past. So an outside power has to do it. Also, like WTF, the Reptilian Dimension also has the Planet. If the Planet is the entity, then the Reptilian Dimension's Planet would be like "WTF YOU BASTARD! HOW DARE YOU TAKE AWAY MY CIVILIZATION! FOK%^&#$&$" etc!

So wrong. Before it dies, it has a flashback of it's life, and this causes a few temporal distortions throughout time. The Reptilian Dimension was created by the Entity as a world without Lavos. A time split. They share an Entity.

[nightmare975]

When I was a kid, and I played the game, I thought that The Old Man(Gasper) was the one doing it. But of course I was wrong. I think it was an Entity who did it.

Or maybe Spekkiko? (I think I spelled it right.)

[Kazuki]

For instance. If a God created the Earth and civilization, and then Lavos landed and started destroying what he made, he'd need to save it no matter what.

I don't think he would NEED to save the planet. God always has the power create anew; of course he would want to exhaust all measures (to save the planet), but it's not as if his life depends on it.

This just occurred to me but if the entity is god, then wouldn't  it be able to just defeat Lavos outright, or even prevent him from landing? If you think about it, wouldn't he, being an omnipresent, omnipowerful being capable of anything (As "God" is seen in many religions), with what we considered the entity (always guiding and aiding, and desperate to save the planet), wouldn't it be possible that if the entity was a god, then couldn't he have prevented the planet having any association with Lavos?

[Radical_Dreamer]

For instance. If a God created the Earth and civilization, and then Lavos landed and started destroying what he made, he'd need to save it no matter what.

I don't think he would NEED to save the planet. God always has the power create anew; of course he would want to exhaust all measures (to save the planet), but it's not as if his life depends on it.

This just occurred to me but if the entity is god, then wouldn't  it be able to just defeat Lavos outright, or even prevent him from landing? If you think about it, wouldn't he, being an omnipresent, omnipowerful being capable of anything (As "God" is seen in many religions), with what we considered the entity (always guiding and aiding, and desperate to save the planet), wouldn't it be possible that if the entity was a god, then couldn't he have prevented the planet having any association with Lavos?

An omnipotent being could have prevented Lavos from arriving at the planet, but, seeing as the planet is the Entity, and not, in fact omnipotent, it had to play the hand it was dealt, so to speak.

Is there any evidence in game to suggest that their exist a tier of beings above the Time Devourer and the Entity in power? Because those seem to be most powerful divinities in the series, unless I'm forgetting something.

[Lord J Esq]

I think we may be looking at this from too Western a point of view. This game is the product of Japan, where the prevailing religious ethos places more emphasis on balance, awareness, and harmony. The "Entity" in Chrono Trigger is definitely a god, but certainly not in the sense that a Christian would think of when he or she thinks of the idea of "God."

I do not want to oversimplify this as an "East vs. West" difference in thinking, but I do want to point out that, to fathom the Entity, it is very helpful to be mindful of the culture that made this game in the first place. Being aware of this will positively influence our thinking when we talk of death and immortality, and the philosophy of the game seems not to fit prevailing Christian views. Everyone has a sense of the religious Divine, whether or not they believe it really exists, but those who do believe in it will interpret it in their own way...and often with striking differences from one another.

Edit: Clarity, spelling

[Zaperking]

Wow, you guys. This should've been simple. Haven't any of you read up on Anthropology?

Damn this thing has been bothering me for a while now. Everyone goes on about the Entity right? Yet some say the Planet is the Entity. Now I always assumed the Entity was a figure very similar to what God in the Bible is: An immortal being outside of the flow of time and dimensions. So which one is it? The Entity or the Planet? Or are they 2 different entities (without the capital) altogether?

They are the same. The terms are interchangable.

But if there's a religion in the Chrono Universe, and a God, he can very well be the entity.

No, because how the hell can God die?

For instance. If a God created the Earth and civilization, and then Lavos landed and started destroying what he made, he'd need to save it no matter what.

If there's no fate in Chrono Trigger, I guess it's safe to assume there's no "god"

Also, THE PLANET IS DEAD IN 2400! And if the Entity is dead in any time, it can't change it's past. So an outside power has to do it. Also, like WTF, the Reptilian Dimension also has the Planet. If the Planet is the entity, then the Reptilian Dimension's Planet would be like "WTF YOU BASTARD! HOW DARE YOU TAKE AWAY MY CIVILIZATION! FOK%^&#$&$" etc!

So wrong. Before it dies, it has a flashback of it's life, and this causes a few temporal distortions throughout time. The Reptilian Dimension was created by the Entity as a world without Lavos. A time split. They share an Entity.

Aura... You always miss the point....

1) I'm saying that a God entity created the gates on Earth, because Earth is like his child and he doesn't want EARTH to die. HE is the entity that has been trying to save it through the help of Crono and co.

2) WTF? What are you on about. No fate in CT= No God? WTF. Atleast explain yourself. WHATEVER. Ofcourse there's fate. They were destined to save the planet through whatever's interventions. Even CC talks about fate and shit. Fate, the Planet, the Entity are all different powers working together.

3) Where's your info coming from? I know that the last arc of the game is like "For all the dreamers, the planets dream is not over yet". This can be depicted in many ways. It could mean like that the planet has one last chance before it dies. Or that it will soon die, but till then don't dispare etc.

[ZeaLitY]

1. Still, the lack of a superdimensional fly swatter to download Lavos into the trashcan is absent. For whatever reason, Lavos made contact and the planet is dying.

2. This ties in to the above. The very premise of Chrono Trigger is that you, the player have to rebel in the most symbolically rebellious way possible -- change history. The fate of the world is in your hands; this preempts the concept of predestiny in the series, because if you were fated to time travel, your efforts would be worthless and predetermined, and time would have always existed in that state where all acts of time traveling have already happened.

[Kazuki]

I realized that the entity could NOT be the western, christian "God" otherwise he could have, as Zeality put it, "fly-swatted Lavos out of existance"; I was more trying to reinforce the point that the Entity is not a being like that, but I screwed up >_>.

Anyways, that is true about the Eastern view on gods and deities ( I kept meaning to say in my post, "the western, christian view on god" but I decided not to for some reason.)

[AuraTwilight]

Is there any evidence in game to suggest that their exist a tier of beings above the Time Devourer and the Entity in power? Because those seem to be most powerful divinities in the series, unless I'm forgetting something.

Nope, sorry.

This just occurred to me but if the entity is god, then wouldn't it be able to just defeat Lavos outright, or even prevent him from landing? If you think about it, wouldn't he, being an omnipresent, omnipowerful being capable of anything (As "God" is seen in many religions), with what we considered the entity (always guiding and aiding, and desperate to save the planet), wouldn't it be possible that if the entity was a god, then couldn't he have prevented the planet having any association with Lavos?

Well, the Entity KINDA did that with the Reptite Dimension.

1) I'm saying that a God entity created the gates on Earth, because Earth is like his child and he doesn't want EARTH to die. HE is the entity that has been trying to save it through the help of Crono and co.

But why would the Entity, if a deity seperate fro the Planet, be DYING with it's world and have it's life be flashing before it's eyes? Get over it, the Entity=God idea is pathetic. The only "God" The Entity can be is a nature-based Kami, and those things don't create shit.

2) WTF? What are you on about. No fate in CT= No God? WTF. Atleast explain yourself. WHATEVER. Ofcourse there's fate. They were destined to save the planet through whatever's interventions. Even CC talks about fate and shit. Fate, the Planet, the Entity are all different powers working together.

Fate in CT? Someone's stupid. Play the game again, talk to that Poryzo doll in Zeal. It asks if you believe in Fate, and if you say no, you get a present. Not to mention like.... all the stuff about Crono and co. rebelling against fate by defeating Lavos. They weren't "Destined" to do shit. If anything, the planet was "destined" to die by Lavos' hand. And I think you missed something, bucko. FATE is a computer. Dumbass.

3) Where's your info coming from? I know that the last arc of the game is like "For all the dreamers, the planets dream is not over yet". This can be depicted in many ways. It could mean like that the planet has one last chance before it dies. Or that it will soon die, but till then don't dispare etc.

The campfire conversation, mostly. And....none of the information you provided has any relevance with my point. Good game, d00d. Good game.

PWNT

[Zaperking]

Stupid N00B. Read Carefully.

1) God isn't dying. He's watching the planet die. And who said that they were flash backs... Geez >.>

2) The Poly Doll also allows you to say "Yes" and goes something like "I guess our lives are pre-determined". And obviousally THERE IS A Fate AND CRONO AND CO ARE GOING AGAINST IT. DUH!

3) I wasn't talking about FATE, idiot. And if in CC there is the whole aspect of Fate and defying it, then there's Fate in CT too. You can't just not have an aspect in one game and then not have it in another.

4) That camp scene is pathetic. Wow. "Could there be an entity?" Stated only once in the whole game. From that, we clearly can't see much. And the whole flashback thing about the elder's is Aylas crap anyway. It's kind of undermining the whole point of Crono and co. If the Planet was having like time gate flash backs, it might aswell just done something like 3million years before Lavos landed.

5) If the Planet was the only entity, then the planet in the Reptilian Dimension should have rebelled and asked for Dinopolis back. It does not have the right to just steal one civilization from another dimension. If all was true and well, the reptilian Planet should have sucked Dinopolis back after, or atleast taken the destroyed Chronopolis as conpensation.