You Don't Need The Pendant To Open The Gates

[SilentMartyr]

Frog still would have saved Leene even without Crono and Lucca's help. Remember when Lucca was explaning to Crono what "happened" to Marle. She said that someone saved her, this can mean anyone, including Frog. Also, Frog arrives at the cathedral, after Marle had been found and deemed to be Leene. Frog states clearly that he is going to save the Queen with or without Crono and Lucca, when Lucca expresses her distaste for frogs. What I am getting at is that Frog would have saved the Queen by himself, and Marle would have been released to live out her life as a normal citizen, or maybe in the castle. Either way, Leene still is returned safe and sound, and makes babies with the King.

[jthomp1286]

I got to about the 4th post in this thread and couldn't bear it anymore...

Here's MY theory on what happened. Marle travels back in time, the current "Timeline" still exists! It is not instantly changed! Marle is not INSTANTLY found on the mountain. Crono travels back in time, finds Marle in the castle, everyone THINKS she is "Leene". Leene is NOT dead YET, because she hasn't been found. Marle disappears because she does not exist in this timeline. At this point, yes, the present is changed, because at this point, they called off the search for Leene, which means she eventually dies, which is why Marle "disappears" in the first place in 600 A.D. In other words, the family line stops there, because Marle does not exist in 1000 A.D.

If you go back in time and kill someone's father, then their son doesn't exist in the "present". Its the same principle here, Leene is killed, therefore Marle does not exist, Marle does not replace Leene, because she disappears in 600 A.D. as I said. Also, if you travel back in time, that doesn't mean you don't exist in your time because your time HAS NOT HAPPENED YET!

[Sentenal]

The whole event is a plot hole.

I'll walk you through how your wrong.

Marle time travels back in time to 600ad.  She was the first to do so.  When she gets there in the mountains, time begins to progress agian relative to her.  They find Marle, and call of their search, thus Leene is killed.  Time keeps flowing back to 1000ad, now with no Marle.  Therefore, Crono cannot meet Marle.  Therefore Crono cannot time travel backwards to save her.

But Crono is able to.  This implies that Leene is not killed after they find Marle.  The Lucca comes back.  Marle then disappear after Lucca arrives.  Why?  What does Lucca's presence do to make Leene get killed?

Another thing about Marle's disappearance is that LEENE WAS NOT KILLED, and Marle still disappeared.  Leene was alive, and Marle disappeared.

This whole situtation is contray as how time travel works in the rest of CT.

[AuraTwilight]

But if the search is called off, then Leene WILL be killed, and Marle WILL vanish. As for Crono, um...yea, I thought you were the one gung ho about TTI. Whatever.

[Sentenal]

Notice how I called it a plot hole, and contrary to the rest of CT?

[AuraTwilight]

And how is that? I really see nothing wrong with jthomp1286's explaination.

[Sentenal]

I already explained it...

[Zaperking]

This whole situtation is contray as how time travel works in the rest of CT.

That's only your idea on how it works.
The only thing that I do believe in the whole time travelling thing is that a change in the past changes the future, one step at a time. Nothing Else, nothing More. No TTI, no TB.

[Sentenal]

Not my idea.  I just agree with it.  Its the idea that Zeality and other guys debated on and basically agreed to long before I came.

[Mystik3eb]

Here's my take:

We don't know how long it takes for the characters to reach point A to point B when entering and exiting gates, right? I'm thinking that once Marle enters that gate, she's still travelling in time and doesn't pop out until Crono enters the gate, giving the timeline the chance that Crono saved Marle without Luccas interference, and they both live lives together in 600 AD, then Lucca comes in right before Crono leaves to save Marle (well...Leene, directly).

...well? This is my only attempt to save CT from a terrible plot hole.

[Aitrus]

Not my idea.  I just agree with it.  Its the idea that Zeality and other guys debated on and basically agreed to long before I came.

True.  We have been trying to explain this since the Compendium opened.  While I don't think that a non-plot hole explanation is in sight anytime soon, new ideas are still welcome.

[DeweyisOverrated]

Damn, I just realized this (while I was reading over "Mortonhayle's CT Parody" >_>)...Lucca doesn't need the Pendant when she travels to catch up w/Crono in 600...I totally forgot about this and have made a few posts saying that the party needs both.

Um... what about her little wand thing (I'm blanking on it... gate key?).  Doesn't that let her open up portals?

[Mystik3eb]

Damn, I just realized this (while I was reading over "Mortonhayle's CT Parody" >_>)...Lucca doesn't need the Pendant when she travels to catch up w/Crono in 600...I totally forgot about this and have made a few posts saying that the party needs both.

Um... what about her little wand thing (I'm blanking on it... gate key?).  Doesn't that let her open up portals?

That was why he realized he was wrong, because she doesn't have the pendent, she only has the Gate Key.

...did you read any of the following posts?

[V_Translanka]

Actually, it seems as though Dewey didn't read that which he quoted...>_>

[ZeaLitY]

Questions raised:

1. If Marle changes history when she goes back in time, how do Crono and Lucca still travel to 600 A.D. from their home version of 1000 A.D.?

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1. Telepod Paradox

Inquiry

If Marle changes history when she goes back in time, how do Crono and Lucca still travel to 600 A.D. from their home version of 1000 A.D.? The rest of the series dictates that as soon as changes are made to the past, the future changes resultingly in an instant. If Marle went back in time and significantly disrupted the Guardia history, 1000 A.D. would change; the Mystic War may not have been won, or the royal family may have simply changed bloodlines. In any event, the same 1000 A.D. would not exist as it was known to Crono and Lucca, yet they are still able to pursue Marle in time. How is this possible? Conceivably, another Crono and Lucca could find their way through time in an alternative timeline created by Marle's disruption in the past, but this Crono and Lucca would have no recollection of Marle.

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