Lavos: Biological Weapon or Sentient Lifeform?

[Zenning]

Again, I still believe Azala didn't want to go down without a fight.

Really? then what was that BOSS BATTLE? Wait...wouldn't the boss battle prove that she indeed did not want to go down without a fight?...I think I misread something. If I have, I apologize.

You've got the right idea. You're good. Azala didn't want to go down without a fight, thus the boss battle.

...

AHA!

I just remembered something.

Regarding Lavos and the Time Gates:

if Lavos DID NOT create the Time Gates, then how did the Gurus and Janus get warped through time when Lavos awakened in the Ocean Palace?

Does anyone here want to tell me it was The Entity who created those gates as escape paths for those people?

[Kazuki]

A lot of people here will say that. It all depends on personal belief I guess.

[GrayLensman]

Regarding Lavos and the Time Gates:

if Lavos DID NOT create the Time Gates, then how did the Gurus and Janus get warped through time when Lavos awakened in the Ocean Palace?

Does anyone here want to tell me it was The Entity who created those gates as escape paths for those people?

The portals were either created by the Entity as part of its plan (the portals did not appear in the original timeline), or they were inadvertently created by Lavos' energy. It is unlikely that Lavos would purposefully warp Janus and the Gurus to safety instead of killing them.

[Weggy]

I think the main gates used throughout the game are the ones created by the entity.  The ones Lavos creates are small, and seem to be more of a one-time-use kind of thing.

I think Lavos sent the gurus and Janus through gates just because he was super pissed for being woken up.  I know if I had been sleeping for 60 some million years, and someone woke me up, id just start randomly sending anyone I see into other dimensions.

[Kazuki]

I think the main gates used throughout the game are the ones created by the entity.  The ones Lavos creates are small, and seem to be more of a one-time-use kind of thing.

I think Lavos sent the gurus and Janus through gates just because he was super pissed for being woken up.  I know if I had been sleeping for 60 some million years, and someone woke me up, id just start randomly sending anyone I see into other dimensions.

That's not too effcient though. If Lavos were really pissed, wouldn't he have just offed them and went back to sleep? Seems like it's too much trouble to be playing little time games then to just terminate the problem immediatley

[Zenning]

It might be that Lavos cannot control the emissions from his own body that would create Time Gates...

...which is the one point I tried bringing up when I was trying to say that Lavos is responsible for the Time Gates.

[AuraTwilight]

the portals did not appear in the original timeline

Yea they did. Check Magus' Flashback. Totally there.

[GrayLensman]

the portals did not appear in the original timeline

Yea they did. Check Magus' Flashback. Totally there.

I mean a timeline existing before any occurrence of time travel.  In this first timeline, Janus and the Gurus perished in the Ocean Palace.  After the destruction of the world, the Entity created the temporary portals along with the Time Gates as part of its effort to kill Lavos.

Magus' memories of the Ocean Palace were from a timeline where the temporary portals existed, but before Crono had time travelled.

[Zaperking]

No.... In the original time line.... Janus and the Guru's were still ported. Be it by the entity (which I highly doubt) or by Lavos' energy clashing with his Pocket Dimension.
Janus was still ported to 600AD. He became Magus. Before any of the time travel madness started, that boy in Leene Square talks about Magus, Melchior is there etc.

The Magus who we get is the original Magus. His flashback is the original one. Because we don't see any of the Guru's when Crono dies. And Janus doesn't see Crono die either.

[GrayLensman]

No.... In the original time line.... Janus and the Guru's were still ported. Be it by the entity (which I highly doubt) or by Lavos' energy clashing with his Pocket Dimension.
Janus was still ported to 600AD. He became Magus. Before any of the time travel madness started, that boy in Leene Square talks about Magus, Melchior is there etc.

The Magus who we get is the original Magus. His flashback is the original one. Because we don't see any of the Guru's when Crono dies. And Janus doesn't see Crono die either.

That's not what I mean at all.

Timeline One

• Lavos lands.
• Janus and the Gurus die in the Ocean Palace.
• The Entity begins plan to kill Lavos.[/list:u]
  Timeline Two
  
  
  • The Entity sends Janus and the Gurus through time portals.
  • Magus exists in 600 AD; his TTI memories are from this timeline.
  • Crono exists in 1000 AD, learns of the defeat of Magus.[/list:u]
    Timeline Three
    
    • Time Gates appear.
    • Marle is sent through a Time Gate in 1000 AD.[/list:u]

[Zenning]

No.... In the original time line.... Janus and the Guru's were still ported. Be it by the entity (which I highly doubt) or by Lavos' energy clashing with his Pocket Dimension.
Janus was still ported to 600AD. He became Magus. Before any of the time travel madness started, that boy in Leene Square talks about Magus, Melchior is there etc.

The Magus who we get is the original Magus. His flashback is the original one. Because we don't see any of the Guru's when Crono dies. And Janus doesn't see Crono die either.

That's not what I mean at all.

Timeline One

• Lavos lands.
• Janus and the Gurus die in the Ocean Palace.
• The Entity begins plan to kill Lavos.[/list:u]
  Timeline Two
  
  
  • The Entity sends Janus and the Gurus through time portals.
  • Magus exists in 600 AD; his TTI memories are from this timeline.
  • Crono exists in 1000 AD, learns of the defeat of Magus.[/list:u]
    Timeline Three
    
    • Time Gates appear.
    • Marle is sent through a Time Gate in 1000 AD.[/list:u]

You're saying that the Entity practically rewound time like a tape in a VCR...and then recorded over it...

[AuraTwilight]

No. Janus and the Gurus were transported in the first timeline. In CT, there's only two timelines. Lavos, and Keystone. The transport of Janus and the Gurus is a crucial point in time. It happens in all known timelines except the Reptite dimension.

[Naz]

Zenning, you're thinking temporally, you need to think more dimensionally.

[Sir Frog]

Zenning, you're thinking temporally, you need to think more dimensionally.

SIG'D!!! (On my GameFAQs account, that is.)

[Zaperking]

Wtf... Zenning had a point.
There are only 2 time lines in CT. It is canon. Anything else is not. The portals produced that sent the Guru's and Janus were most likely due to something to do with Lavos. Since Janus, Melchior and Belthasar were the first to be sent through the time portals, they counted as the '3'. When Gaspar was ported, he arrived in the area of the End of Time. I doubt the Entity did anything at all since It disturb things. I mean, if the entity did it, it'd be smarter to send Melchior to Belthasar so they could plan something out or All 3 Guru's in one area, and Janus to the EoT. You know..

Also, the Entity most likely didn't do anything until it realise it was about to die (1999AD -2300AD) Ofcourse, it all is based if you believe that the Planet is the entity and that the planet acctually died in 2300AD or was dead by then. And only then did it start dreaming. Also, I'm starting to think that CT is not only about timelines, but also dimensions. There has to be a dimension where Lavos does win. Not just a timeline. Since in any original time line, Marle probably never escaped the Castle to go to the telepod, which might mean that it wasn't just the entity that could have caused the time portal, but acctually the powers in the pendant. Any similarities to the FF? By being sucked backwards in time? Think about it