Did Belthasar Plan Project Kid?

[King Zeal]

That's a good point.

Also, the Gaspar did know what a Time Gate was when they were sent back in time.  (However, he WAS the Guru of Time, so it's not surprising.)

But, the Epoch hadn't been finished at the time and, since Belthasar already knew how to build a flying ship (like the Blackbird), the only other thing that would take time to finish would be the time-travel mechanism.

[Zaperking]

Gaspar first called it a dimensional warp, then called it a time gate.. So WTF >.>

[Naz]

Can you tell the difference? I don't think I could when put into the situation... @.@

[Kazuki]

Can you tell the difference? I don't think I could when put into the situation... @.@

If I was told of the two terms, I would think of the dimensional warp as moving between two places (dimensions), so the where. With "time gate" I would think of one place, but the when of the situation.[/i]

[V_Translanka]

Wait, would Belthasar have TTI if the past was altered? I mean, would the timeline change around him? Or are we saying that the first Belthasar that was transported to the Lavos timeline future was Time Bastarded and that a new Belthasar is sent to a post-CT future?

[cupn00dles]

not anymore thoughts about if there's a tesseract per dimension or if it's the same tesseract to all dimensions?

is the dinopolis paradox enough to say there's a tesseract per dimensionnnnn???

[King Zeal]

not anymore thoughts about if there's a tesseract per dimension or if it's the same tesseract to all dimensions?

is the dinopolis paradox enough to say there's a tesseract per dimensionnnnn???

The game pretty much states that ANY timeline that's destroyed gets sent to the Tesseract.  I'm almost certain, in this respect, that they mean there's only one Tesseract for every timeline that exists.  If there were more than one Tesseract, then that would mean that Tesseracts in themselves are nothing more than alternate timelines.  

Wait, would Belthasar have TTI if the past was altered? I mean, would the timeline change around him? Or are we saying that the first Belthasar that was transported to the Lavos timeline future was Time Bastarded and that a new Belthasar is sent to a post-CT future?

The entire 2300 AD future and the events it took place in should have disappeared.  This includes the bat-loco Belthasar from the Chrono Trigger game.  When 2300 AD disappeared, that version should have disappeared completely.  In his stead, a new Belthasar arrives in the new 2300 AD in the "saved" future.

[Sentenal]

The entire 2300 AD future and the events it took place in should have disappeared. This includes the bat-loco Belthasar from the Chrono Trigger game. When 2300 AD disappeared, that version should have disappeared completely. In his stead, a new Belthasar arrives in the new 2300 AD in the "saved" future.

Not "new" per se, as it would have still been the Belthasar from the original ocean palace that arrived there, in the saved future.

[cupn00dles]

The game pretty much states that ANY timeline that's destroyed gets sent to the Tesseract.  I'm almost certain, in this respect, that they mean there's only one Tesseract for every timeline that exists.

Geez... ¬¬" Didn't you understand what I posted? Absolutely, ANY timeline that's destroyed goes to the Tesseract. So, wasn't that exactly one of the things I stated in my post?

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You see, if there's a Tesseract per Dimension, every single Timeline that's eliminated from Its Dimension, even if carried away to another Dimension, ends up in Its Dimension's Tesseract and that's the end of the story.

Now, if there's only One Tesseract, a Multi-dimensional Tesseract that fits All existent Dimensions then when a Timeline is taken from Its Dimension to another One, Its -original Dimension "version"- is eliminated, for it ceases to exist in Its original Dimension, but at the same time It still exists in the New Dimension it was brought to. Even being mixed to another timeline and thus creating a third one, there was a point in Space-Time Continua in which It ceased to exist, but at the same time it didn't, if there was only One Tesseract that was linked to all Dimensions, that is.

Undastood now? XD

P.S.: In any case, read again the part about the "levels" of reality of my post, that should help ya understand anything that is still missunderstood x)
 

If there were more than one Tesseract, then that would mean that Tesseracts in themselves are nothing more than alternate timelines.

no no o.o

Tesseract, for what I could see from CC and from the Compendium articles, would run in time-error, perpendicularly to the timelines, like the EoT...

And, shewsh, if there'd be one Tesseract per Dimension there could be one EoT, BoT and as many time-error running "places" as one wouldd like to imagine >.>

[Zaperking]

Sometimes, I think that Belthasar only ment that by destroying all time and space would only occur in their dimensional group. I'm pretty sure there are other dimensions are out there.

Just imagine this. Inside a huge dome there are billions of bubbles. Inside each bubble, there is its own dimension and a terrasect. In CC's bubble, there Another World grew a branch on it's dimension, but was still one dimension initially. If Lavos in it's terrasect destroyes "all of time and space", the bubble will burst, but there would still be heaps of bubbles left in the huge dome. the end...

[Kazuki]

Sometimes, I think that Belthasar only ment that by destroying all time and space would only occur in their dimensional group. I'm pretty sure there are other dimensions are out there.

Just imagine this. Inside a huge dome there are billions of bubbles. Inside each bubble, there is its own dimension and a terrasect. In CC's bubble, there Another World grew a branch on it's dimension, but was still one dimension initially. If Lavos in it's terrasect destroyes "all of time and space", the bubble will burst, but there would still be heaps of bubbles left in the huge dome. the end...

If this is true, then Home world would be safe, right? Well, besides the fact that Lavos would erupt in 1999 A.D., they would be safe from having their existances just wiped away.

[cupn00dles]

Give up Zaperking, there's no way they'll understand what we're trying to say ¬¬"

Geez...

btw, nice way to exemplify, easier to understand than the hipothetically naming way i did XD

But ppl still dun understand, gosh ¬¬"

---> Kazuki! Home is a dimension inside a DIMENSION and the one which would burst would be the DIMENSION, so the dimension inside of it would burst too

the DIMENSION would be imploded, destroyed from the outside to the inside, till it becomes nothingness, just an infinite of possibilities that coulda been but weren't, inside this DIMENSION's tesseract

>>> if u still can't get it, try thinking of Home and Another as TIMELINES, running parallel at the same time in the same DIMENSION ><

[SilentMartyr]

Maybe if you had better grammar we could figure out what you were talking about easier. Just a thought.

It doesn't seem like one Tessarect for each dimension would be the way that it is supposed to be. I doubt that the Entity would really be worried enough to transport a whole other dimension over to the CC one, if only one dimesion was going to be destroyed.

[Sentenal]

Zaper and noodles are on the false idea that there are infinate dimensions, when there are only 3-4 proven ones.

[Zaperking]

It's stated more than once that there are possibliy more. Even in Chronopolis, after Chronopolis says that it's been watching parrarel universes, Third Party member suggests that there are probably more universes with their own timelines.

Schala "Kid" Zeal even says "I'll look for ya mate, in any time, in any place, in anydimension"

Besides, if you're saying "this hasn't been proven" in game, then I'll just say that TTI and TB haven't been proven either due to game evidence, but instead you try to work around plot holes or shit >.>