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[Zaperking]

Game states that the planet pulled in Dinopolis to counter the effects that Chronopolis would cause to the future, because Dinopolis is another dimensions elite chosen city.

[cupn00dles]

If what you're saying is true, then time and space would be REALLY screwed up after Terra Tower came to Another. From what it looksl like, you're saying that the two timelines are co-existing at same...er time. And space.

If that's true, then wouldn't everything that's not the reptite timeline get cancelled out? I just can't see how two timelines can co-exist at the same space.

No no

Dinopolis timeline fuses with keystone t-1 to create t-2. t-1 and dinopolis timeline cease to exist as dinopolis timeline and t-1. they don't exist anymore as separate timelines. they exist as t-2.

The paradox is when Dinopolis is being pulled to encounter t-1, if there's only one tesseract dinopolis would be pulled to 2 places at the same time

[cupn00dles]

If you walk along the sidewalk, you move through space-time, not drag space-time along with you.

Of course you do. You carry YOUR "perspective" of space-time with you, always, if not you'd be a "spacial only" object inside a space-time reality. Space-time is ONE single thing, you can't screw space without screwing time. Read sumthin' about what gravity is, for its one of the most simple examples of how space and time are utterly connected. I'd recommend Stephen Hawking's The Universe in a Nutshell.

When Dinopolis spacial content and time content (let's call dinopolis timeline this way then) were pulled, it was Dinopolis's perspective of space-time that was pulled (or all of the "counciousness inside of it" perspective) with it.

Everything is relative, a small part of the ALL can't mess the ALL itself, only its perspective of it.

Chrono Cross supposes that the universe has more than four dimensions, which contain other space-time continua.  Dinopolis passed through a space-time distortion, like a wormhole.  The matter and energy which make up Dinopolis were moved from their space-time location in the Reptite dimension to the space-time location of the Sea of Eden in the Chrono dimension.  The world-line of Dinopolis, stretches unbroken back through the worm-hole to its original location.

Just like that, imho. Still, Dinopolis's timeline did go through that wormhole, thus being eliminated from its original dimension.

[AuraTwilight]

Holy Hell, did you even play the game? The Dinopolis incident is as simple as a city passing through a wormhole. That. Is. It. You're pulling stuff out of your ass and trying to pass it off as a theory. With all due respect, make a theory to fit the facts. Don't make the facts fit the theory.

[cupn00dles]

Holy Hell, did you even play the game? The Dinopolis incident is as simple as a city passing through a wormhole. That. Is. It.

Absolutely. The fact is that Dinopolis passed through a wormhole. But Dinopolis doesn't occupy a place only in space, it occupies a place in time as well, just like everyhing else. Space and time, as I already said, cannot be seprated. They are one thing, called space-time.

BTW, played CC at least 6 times. Love its plot. Even more than CT. My favourite RPG x)

You're pulling stuff out of your ass and trying to pass it off as a theory. With all due respect, make a theory to fit the facts. Don't make the facts fit the theory.

Geez AuraTwilight, as I aleady said, stop and think just for a little bit about what you read before replying. As I already said (can't get tired of repeating it), if only Dinopolis's spacial matter moved through the wormhole then it would be a "spacial only" subject inside a space-time reality. And its not, for every CC player that finished the game at least once have aleady experienced Dinopolis as a space-time object. At least I did. Imho, that is.

[Zaperking]

Indeed. It is unknown what time period Dinopolis was taken from, but we do know that it's the elite city in the repitite dimension, especially chosen to counter Chronopolis.

[GrayLensman]

Absolutely. The fact is that Dinopolis passed through a wormhole. But Dinopolis doesn't occupy a place only in space, it occupies a place in time as well, just like everyhing else. Space and time, as I already said, cannot be seprated. They are one thing, called space-time.

No offense, but you have a flawed understanding of relativity.  Matter and energy occupy space-time.  Just by walking along the sidewalk, your body moves through space and time.  Dinopolis is not a rapidly rotating black-hole; it does not drag space-time along with it.  When Dinopolis passed through the wormhole, it moves through space and time.

[cupn00dles]

Absolutely. The fact is that Dinopolis passed through a wormhole. But Dinopolis doesn't occupy a place only in space, it occupies a place in time as well, just like everyhing else. Space and time, as I already said, cannot be seprated. They are one thing, called space-time.

No offense, but you have a flawed understanding of relativity.  Matter and energy occupy space-time.  Just by walking along the sidewalk, your body moves through space and time.  Dinopolis is not a rapidly rotating black-hole; it does not drag space-time along with it.  When Dinopolis passed through the wormhole, it moves through space and time.

Of course it carries! It carries "its own perspective" of space-time. If it was a black-hole it'd be "sucking" its sorrounding space-time, and not carrying its own perspective of space-time with it to Chronos's dimension. My understanding of relativity isn't flawed, its just deeper than yours, for what I see XD - The viewer of an event is a living part of it -

You can't state things with a universal point of view, for the universe (in the way it's experienced in the Chrono series) is built up of many individual conciousness, and thus everyone of this individual consiousness has its own perspective of space-time, being, fully, a part of it.

When I state that if there was only one Tesseract, Dinopolis would be at two points in space-time, I mean that if an individual counciousness experienced (from the outside, a viewer, part of the experience) the moment when Dinopolis is dragged from its dimension to Chronos's it'd experience a "split" and would see the same piece of space-time being cut off its timeline (or greater piece of space-time if you will) and being "transformed", "split" in 2, one going to the Tesseract and  the other going to Chronos's dimension.

As Doreen states in CT "Never assume that what you see is real", if you bother to think about a meaning for it you can take this conclusion: Never assume that what you see is REALITY itself, for its just your perspective of it. At least that's the most fitting meaning I could find XD

GrayLensman, from your posts I think you're a guy who's pretty interested in modern physics XD BUT, imho, your concepts are a liiiiitle bit rusty, too much "Einsteinish" XDD I'm not criticizing ya, far from me... But try reading (if you didn't already read but disagreed or didn't understand) some of Fritjof Capra works (mostly The Tao of Physics), it'd give ya a closer idea of my vision of relativity in general, what would pretty much fit to my vision of relativity in the Chrono series XD

P.S.: before i forget! matter and energy are the same thing manifesting in different ways. you could, very rawly, say that matter is condensed energy. if you mind to read the tao of physics pay close attention to the parts about the behavior of subatomic particles.

P.S.2: and, guh >< since our arguments are becoming more and more "out of game" based, let's just keep ourselves strictly to game-facts or game-fact leaded ideas! and my game-fact leaded idea is still the same XD if you'd like to discuss physics in general it'd be a pleasure, just lets do it in a General Discussion topic or sumthin' XD

[GrayLensman]

I'm sorry, but you are describing metaphysical beliefs and not actual, falsifiable scientific theories.  You may persue a metaphysical interpretation of the Chrono Series; but, with regards to reality, you cannot disregard the scientific theories of modern physics, supported by an overwhelming body of evidence, that easily.

[Exodus]

You can, actually.

This is a game.

We're in reality.

We're not in a game.

Not that I agree with anything he's said, but the game itself has many subjective points that have completely disagreed with modern science.

[cupn00dles]

Oh yes, Exodus gave the point x) The games themselves are HELLLL metaphysics XD (And which good RPG isn't? I mean, metaphysical content and unexplained parameters are must have in masterpieces, they have to burnnnn the players brain XD), and that's why my game-fact based ideas remains unchanged, with or without all this modern vs. subatomic physics obsolete discussion XD

And GrayLensman, as I said try updating your info inside the physics topic, the concepts you're still holding are, scientifically, being torn apart one by one with every new discover of a new subatomic particle and its behavior. Even the most "Einsteinish" scientists are starting to see how all this metaphysical "talk" is, actually, totally physical. Seriously, try reading The Tao of Physics, just for fun, it'll give ya some new info with a very simple way of explanation (I mean, I got it, lol) or just search for articles on the net or any other source of info about the refreshing(ok I pulled myself in that one, ha ha ha) subatomic physics, and then you'll see that there isn't anything of metaphysical in my statements  Update yourself mr. Guru! XD

[Zaperking]

Saying that to Gray will like take away his knowledge libido Oo.

I wana be like you people when im older.... Well... just in brains... >.>
I wana be a quantut physics person when im older XD I want to prove that some kind of power exists out there. Probably research ESP. And also try and make cars fly using the power of cold fusion

[AuraTwilight]

Somehow, I totally doubt Chrono Cross' metaphysics were based of a book written by a decrepid, blind old asian man who was totally off his rocker and died trying to prove some of his theories. But whatever. Think whatever you want.

[cupn00dles]

It doesn't matter the bases which CC metaphysical plots had, what matters are the plots themselves. lol

Edit: Oh! Oh! IMHO, that is.

[Kazuki]

Somehow, I totally doubt Chrono Cross' metaphysics were based of a book written by a decrepid, blind old asian man who was totally off his rocker and died trying to prove some of his theories. But whatever. Think whatever you want.

Ditto. Unless Square had snapped as well   .