Did Belthasar Plan Project Kid?

[Shadow_Dragon]

Oops... I always got confused between Gaspar and Belthasar since, for the longest time, I thought Belthasar was the guru of time since he build the Epoch... My mistake.. Anyway, he was a guru for a reason. <_<

[Kazuki]

There's a reason he's the guru of Reason  

[Chrono'99]

Oops... I always got confused between Gaspar and Belthasar since, for the longest time, I thought Belthasar was the guru of time since he build the Epoch... My mistake.. Anyway, he was a guru for a reason. <_<

Belthasar in CC does claim he is the "Prophet of Time" though.

[Sentenal]

Well, if he came from the future, he does have a legitmate claim to "prophet of time."  Simplar reason of how Magus claimed he was a Prophet in Zeal.

[Zaperking]

He's right about the Neo Epoch. It was Kid who used it to go back to 1010. What the hell did Belthasar use Oo

NEW STARTALING INFO!!!!!

OMG! It's apparent that Schala did not fall into a Dimensional Vortex or whatever, but acctually fell through a time portal! Apparetly, as she was falling through time, she heard Serge and when she reached 1007AD as she was falling, cast her hand out and the magnetic storm was unleashed that caused FATE and Chronopolis to lose their power and guided Serge and Wazuki and Miguel to Chronopolis.
Belthasar could not have known this! There is no way!!!11!!! Then it goes on to say how then later, when she merged with Lavos and he started taking over her mind, Schala used her pendant to clone her body and add her good mind into Kid and sent her out into the dimension.

As it seems, the DBT is indeed like the EoT. You don't need to travel dimensions to get into it.

I wasn't kidding. There, CAPS lock off. I have a saved state at the end of the game and talked to Lucca. Lucca indeed says that Schala fell through a time portal, like a big hole in the ground. As she got deeper, she arrived at around 1007AD and heard Serge and saved him by doing you know what. And after kept falling till she finally landed on Lavos who started fusing with her and corrupting her so she sent out the remaining sanity of herself, Kid.

[V_Translanka]

Ok, well, let's see the quote...

Also, given that Belthasar quote, I think it's obvious that he is using the Neo Epoch to check up on how his plan is playing out...

[Zaperking]

Here we go:

"The true beginning was during the destruction of the ancient Kingdom of Zeal!
As the palace collapsed around her, Princess Schala was sucked into a dimensional vortex along with Lavos Mammon Machine.
Schala and Lavos became unified into one even more powerful entity that would evolve into the Devourer of Time.
Filled with the hatred and sadness of Lavos, half of Schala's mind became set on destroying all of existance.
Yet at the same time, the other half of her mind desired to save the universe and to be rescued herself.
As Schala fell through the time gate in this condition, she heard your crying echoing through time....
This is when her story and yours began to intertwine...
Led by the pitiful crying the young Serge made as the panther demon's poison took hold of him...
Princess Schala trevelled ten thousand years in time to try and make contact with this dimension!This caused a raging magnetic storm that resulted in FATE's system malfunction, which led Serge to the Frozen Flame.
That's right Serge. The sound of you crying touched the heart of Princess Schala.
Before the destructive mind-set could become dominant, she cloned herself and sent her copy into this dimension."

[V_Translanka]

I...I don't see how that verifies what you said earlier...

[Dark Saint]

Originally posted by ZeaLitY

Hah! I'm going to search for their topics, provided they still exist. I hope they do, since it would be a pity for the "most knowledgable and witty" Chrono series theorists to have their work wasted by forum pruning. Oh, this will be excellent. The Compendium was founded upon analysis. Hopefully, if they still exist, they will come here. The knuckles have been cracked.

They're still there, mostly in the archives - those from version 5.0, I mean; everything from previous versions were, naturally, wiped out.

By the way, I noticed in that other thread that you remarked Chrono Cross was full of plot holes. If you still hold that view, would you care to share some? Chrono'99, stand by with the couple minor ones you've found until a response is given.

Sure thing. I could just copy some from the ones I posted at AvalancheOnline and paste them here, in a new thread. You can create the thread yourself and I'll post ASAP; let me know if you're in.

I've found one post called "Chrono Connections," but that seems to be it for the entire RPG Discussion forum. Don't tell me my worries about pruning are true!

Fortunately, they're not. Check out the Square Enix Archives and the Chrono Series Archives. Don't expect for all of them to include "Chrono" in the title, though.

If you have a hard time finding any good ol' debate threads, let me know and I'll give you a few links to some.

[ZeaLitY]

Put them in this forum, I guess.

[Zaperking]

I...I don't see how that verifies what you said earlier...

Yes it does.. It seems now that as Schala was falling, she met Lavos on the way and they started merging, and then she heard Serge's crying. So she whilst she was falling, she tryed stopping at around 1007AD where she let the magnetic storm lose to try and help Serge and at that same time, cast Kid into the world.

[Dark Saint]

Alright then. Here are a few, putting aside the one about Belthasar's omniscience:


▬ Who or what, exactly, is the "Entity" that supposedly held sway over and manipulated just about all the events that took place in the Chrono world?

▬ How was Porre able to overthrow Guardia, in the span of just twenty years?

▬ Kid's oh so special and magical pendant, turns out to be not so special, much less magical. It's supposed to keep Kid from being a victim of lethal injuries or any sort of life-threatening danger by taking her back in time to a safer point in time. Yet it doesn't, ever; not even as much as a little nudge or a spark or anything. She falls off a cliff, get's poisoned, stabbed and apparently brain-washed, and then falls comatose after trying to handle the Frozen Flame.

So really, what the hell was the point of saying it had such powers?

▬ Why on earth did FATE --Lynx, Dark Serge, or however else you wish to call it-- try to drown and thus kill Serge, the arbiter and its only key to reach the Frozen Flame, in 1010 A.D.? It makes absolutely NO sense, and NOTHING is said anywhere which would even attempt to explain such a moronic and contradicting move by FATE.

▬ How in the blue hell did the Earth deity pull back in time a civilization of Reptites (see, Dinopolis) from a dimension that didn’t even exist, as a countermeasure against Chronopolis? Go Earth and its half-assed omnipotence.


I know a couple more, I'm sure, but I have to search my memory a bit.

[AuraTwilight]

Who or what, exactly, is the "Entity" that supposedly held sway over and manipulated just about all the events that took place in the Chrono world?

The Planet

How was Porre able to overthrow Guardia, in the span of just twenty years?

Twenty years is a lot of time to conquer a passive country that could barely fight off a bunch of blue midgets.

Kid's oh so special and magical pendant, turns out to be not so special, much less magical. It's supposed to keep Kid from being a victim of lethal injuries or any sort of life-threatening danger by taking her back in time to a safer point in time. Yet it doesn't, ever; not even as much as a little nudge or a spark or anything. She falls off a cliff, get's poisoned, stabbed and apparently brain-washed, and then falls comatose after trying to handle the Frozen Flame. So really, what the hell was the point of saying it had such powers?

I think I remember reading that the Amulet's power doesn't kick in until after she actually dies, like Tsukasa's pseudo-immortality in .hack//sign.

Why on earth did FATE --Lynx, Dark Serge, or however else you wish to call it-- try to drown and thus kill Serge, the arbiter and its only key to reach the Frozen Flame, in 1010 A.D.? It makes absolutely NO sense, and NOTHING is said anywhere which would even attempt to explain such a moronic and contradicting move by FATE.

This one still puzzles me a bit. Either 1) FATE didn't have full control of Lynx yet and he was absolutely bonkers, or 2) It was a subconscious program Belthasar put in to make sure Project Kid runs smoothly. Who knows?

How in the blue hell did the Earth deity pull back in time a civilization of Reptites (see, Dinopolis) from a dimension that didn’t even exist, as a countermeasure against Chronopolis? Go Earth and its half-assed omnipotence.

The Reptite dimensions DOES exist, so where do you get off saying it doesn't? Also, the Planet should roughly be as powerful as Lavos, so it should be able to do the same trick just fine.

[Zaperking]

Lucca says that FATE calculated by itself that Serge would cross the dimensions one day, before he even died. So FATE must have known about Kid and what Kid was going to do. Belthasar is a freak. Since FATE was soloing by itself. FATE does not listen to Belthasar. It does what it wants. Belthasar simply was there to make sure it went all smoothly.
And about Kid's pendant, it says that it only reverses time a bit before any FATAL injuries occur.

[V_Translanka]

Zaperking, that quote says that Schala is sucked into a dimensional vortex, along w/Lavos & the Mammon Machine, which she thus merged with and that this combination would eventually become the Devourer of Time. But as she was merging and her mind was being corrupted by Lavos (& the Mammon Machine), she heard Serge's crying echoing through time. Now, it doesn't really say anything about her being in any particular time at all because it states that Serge's crying is echoing throughout time...The real question is why was Serge's crying so dominant in time?

Alright then. Here are a few, putting aside the one about Belthasar's omniscience

Uh, ZeaLitY said this forum, not this thread...but...w/e...I guess...

How was Porre able to overthrow Guardia, in the span of just twenty years?

Uh, Elements? I dunno...Lucca did something w/Porre didn't she?

Why on earth did FATE --Lynx, Dark Serge, or however else you wish to call it-- try to drown and thus kill Serge, the arbiter and its only key to reach the Frozen Flame, in 1010 A.D.? It makes absolutely NO sense, and NOTHING is said anywhere which would even attempt to explain such a moronic and contradicting move by FATE.

Does FATE need Serge alive?

How in the blue hell did the Earth deity pull back in time a civilization of Reptites (see, Dinopolis) from a dimension that didn’t even exist, as a countermeasure against Chronopolis? Go Earth and its half-assed omnipotence.

Since the Planet no longer has to contend w/Lavos for it's almighty Planet energy juices, I'm sure that it's extra powerful in CC than it was in CT where it was just dying and making a few temporal portal things here and there....>_>