Originally posted by AuraTwilight
The Planet
I remember coming to this very conclusion at one point, but that would mean that the Earth can create Time Gates at will, an ability which would only complicate things further if Earth had it - mostly because of the contradictions and inconsistencies that it would set forth.
Twenty years is a lot of time to conquer a passive country that could barely fight off a bunch of blue midgets.
Aye, blue midgets indeed - with a sorcerer as their leader. But nay, twenty years is far too short a time for what seemed to be one of the weakest and less militarized village to overthrow/conquer the region's strongest military power.
Personally, I've always said that their apparent, out of the blue discovery of powder was probably what did the trick, but alas! the slackers never gave as much as a hint about the whole thing.
I think I remember reading that the Amulet's power doesn't kick in until after she actually dies, like Tsukasa's pseudo-immortality in .hack//sign.
I remember reading that the Amulet's power is supposed to keep her
from dying, and out of life-threatening situations.
This one still puzzles me a bit. Either 1) FATE didn't have full control of Lynx yet and he was absolutely bonkers, or 2) It was a subconscious program Belthasar put in to make sure Project Kid runs smoothly. Who knows?
Eh, about the first, it's too speculative and convenient, and besides, it's made more apparent, and it's much more reasonable, that Lynx equaled FATE from the get-go.
The second doen't fit in simply because, as we're told, all
Lucca did was plant a bug in FATE's system to prevent it from reaching the Frozen Flame and whatnot. Programming FATE to create Lynx to idiotically kill Serge is plain absurd to even consider.
The Reptite dimensions DOES exist, so where do you get off saying it doesn't? Also, the Planet should roughly be as powerful as Lavos, so it should be able to do the same trick just fine.
Nay, it
doesn't exist, for it doesn't branch off or originate from the
original timeline - or rather, the "original" one as far as
we know.
If Earth could alternately choose the future it preferred for itself, then why the hell would it allow the Human's future to prosper in
any possible dimension or future? Or for that matter, if Earth had the absolutely necessary
omniscience (and one heck of a touch of uber-power) to play in all past, present
and future,
how could it lose? Or hell, better yet, why the hell would it choose a future civilization, as a supposed "countermeasure" against Lavos' Chronopolis, that
loses?
It's a fluff plot element that ultimaltely proves to be self-contradicting and inconsistent. To say that the Earth suddenly decided to pull back a civilization out of nowhere is a kick in the nuts.
The very notion that's implied herein and elsewhere --like, for instance, it being the famed "Entity"--, that the Earth is a single entity that trascends space-time and thus
all dimensions, and that it's 'one and the same' in
all of them is incoherent to and inconsistent with the whole mechanics and principles of the
entire Chrono world, and would take a good long piss on the game's plot.
Originally posted by V_Translanka
But as she was merging and her mind was being corrupted by Lavos (& the Mammon Machine), she heard Serge's crying echoing through time. Now, it doesn't really say anything about her being in any particular time at all because it states that Serge's crying is echoing throughout time...The real question is why was Serge's crying so dominant in time?
Indeed that's the
real question to be asked: What the hell made
Serge so special back then, out of the millions of children that had suffered way more, in different time periods and quite possibly in his very own? And hell no, Schala was NOT omniscient too.
About Schala "passing by different/specific time periods" while she fell in the tesseract, it doesn't matter. It's a spacial distortion, separate or devoid of the force of time. What she did, according to CC, was reach out beyond the vortex temporarily to do her thing.
Uh, ZeaLitY said this forum, not this thread...but...w/e...I guess...
Bah, whatever. >.<
Uh, Elements? I dunno...Lucca did something w/Porre didn't she?
Not likely; Elements are much more abundant in El Nido anyways, and apparently it's of little attraction to those from the Zenan Mainland, as evinced by the Porre military's preference in guns.
Lucca? I really don't see her helping Porre out against Guardia...
Does FATE need Serge alive?
How else could it reach the Frozen Flame? It sure as hell couldn't do away with the Prometheus circuit/bug in its program.
Since the Planet no longer has to contend w/Lavos for it's almighty Planet energy juices, I'm sure that it's extra powerful in CC than it was in CT where it was just dying and making a few temporal portal things here and there....>_>
Eh, the whole point of pulling the "Reptite civilization" back in time was to ultimately contend against Lavos' will - as in, this face-off actually took place thousands of years in the past.
Originally posted by Chrono '99
From CT to CC, there isn't a span of twenty years but really a span of ten thousands and twenty years (1,000 AD to 2,400 AD, then Time Crash, then 7,600 BC to 1,020 AD).
Yeah, sure, but those X amount of years didn't fall on Porre and continued through a time bypass that departed from 1,000 A.D., and that eventually came back to its timeline after its own oddissey in space-time, eventually landing again on its timeline in 1,020 A.D. after oh so many years of being lost in different time periods.
So the point is, what, exactly, are you talking about? How do those events fit in or help explain anything about Porre's quick military superiority over Guardia? And if you're going to present the logically applicable "change" factor, then mind that you'll have to apply it to absolutely everything - thus just about everything we know of the Chrono world should in fact mean zilch, as nothing would've been the same; unless you're conveniently implying that Porre, and
only Porre, was affected.
Originally posted by Sentenal
Not a plot hole. Just to let you know where I'm coming from, here it is. Zeality remarked you said CC was full of plot holes, and asked you to post them. You said okay, and then posted these. Us not knowing who the Entity is is NOT a plot hole. A plot hole is something unexplained that contradicts another, explained part of a series or plot.
Who or what the Entity is, is obviously not explained. The whole "Entity" deal I find to be contradicting because it's clear that it's intelligent, and that it was making its moves against Lavos. Yet it has time-bending capabilities, and everything plays out apparently according to its desires --thusly, everyone's a pawn.
Similar to how Belthasar planned everything out in CC, the Entity pretty much played its cards the way it did because it
knew they'd do the trick in the end - why would it have made way for Crono and gang to reach the past and travel across time if it were otherwise?
Most agree it's the Planet.
I kind of agree, too. But we'd have to find ways to explain just how applicable to Earth is said title - which isn't all too easy considering all that it entails.
Kato said that Porre's rise to power was the result of some outside influence. Plus what Chrono'99 said. Plus, not a plot hole, its just something unexplained.
Anything that jumps from A to C, without ever setting foot on B, is a plot hole. It's an unexplained plot element: a plot hole - and more so because it's CT's damn sequel, as in, it's
supposed to explain these things.
It rewinds time after something bad happens. You remmber Kid getting stabbed, and "dieing", yet being alive later in the game, not remmbering getting stabbed? Yeah. Not a plot hole.
One would say so, yes, but the fact that it
did happen, and everyone else remembers it, means that she didn't go
anywhere.
The pendant's power is not to give amnesia, dude, it's to
take her to a safer point in time, where she's safe. If all it does is give amnesia
after the events happen, then what the hell would it do if she just plain out died, as opposed to just getting stabbed and surviving the wound? Hm?
Eh, not too sure on this one myself.
I am. It be hole in plot.
It DID exist. In another dimension, where Lavos did not fall, and the Reptites won out. Plus what V_T and Aura said.
It still contradicts the Earth's very nature. If Earth could do that, it would mean that said dimension had no "Earth", or that there's only ONE Earth for ALL the dimensions. See what I mean?
In either case, they're idiotic elements that contradict the hell out of a butt-load of things. There has to be an Earth in the other dimension, or... what? It's only half of a dimension that appeared for the sole purpose to give away spare parts for the other dimensions?
And if you actually believe there's only ONE Earth for ALL dimensions, then why the hell wouldn't Earth just forget about all the other dimensions and simply stick to a way more favorable dimension as the one where the
Reptites won, Lavos didn't fall, and Earth prospered and lived happily ever after? Logic speaks for itself, no?
Originally posted by ZeaLitY
Kato remarked that it's a story for "another time" (Chrono Break?).
Masato Kato also answered "maybe" to a bunch of questions made to him in an interview a few years ago about
Chrono Cross, and other such answers that demonstrated doubt and insecurity on a plot and story that
he wrote.
As for the theory, my point stands all the same, because FATE seeks to reach the Frozen Flame that's blocked from it, and the only way to accomplish this is by using Serge. Serge is an obstacle, yes, but eliminating him is illogical and would only present an even greater, irreparable obstacle.
Originally posted by Sentenal
I have a question now:
FATE still didn't have access to the Flame after he killed Serge. This is because Serge is still alive in on world. Why would that matter in Another?
That's not the point, though. It's always been that Serge is the Arbiter and thus the only one with access to the Frozen Flame. If he dies, there'd be no Arbiter to be found; FATE would lose all chances of reaching the Flame and would only continue to lose power, until eventually it would stand idle and powerless.
Why would FATE machinate its own demise, when it's been seeking god-like powers for who knows how many millenniums? It's retarded.
Originally posted by Shadow_Dragon
Also, if FATE decided to just capture the Porre people that came to explore and not let them leave, that would probably have just as much of an effect as letting them gain power through elements. Imagine half of Porre suddenly disappearing without explanation. The only way that FATE could possibly limit changes would be for it to have brainwashed all the settlers that came and made them think that they found empty ocean, but I doubt that they wandered into Chronopolis (was the sea of eden closed off at that time) or that FATE could send brainwashing things to meet them without even bigger changes.
Which reminds me: Chronopolis, or more specifically FATE, always tried to keep everyone from going out to the Mainlaind, and those from the outside, especially Porre, from coming to El Nido to invesitigate the Archipelago, in order to prevent them from doing anything that would undo the creation of FATE in the future. Yet Lynx is sent as an emissary to the Zenan Mainland to convince the inhabitants that the Frozen Flame is indeed in El Nido and urges them to move in and take over. Contradiction.
Originally posted by Zenning
Lynx still had a use for Kid and thus preserved her life.
What use?
He simply needed to incapacitate her before he could brainwash her.
What for?
